<div dir="ltr"><div> </div><div>hello: i think this is a good time to reach out to the access team at apple as they should be awair of the problem even if the student does switch i would also be conserned about the math jacks not working any more and would reach out to that team as well if you could i know one of the key contributers to math jacks and they are definitely invested in to access and cross platform compatibility <br></div><div><br></div><div>the email address for the apple team <a href="mailto:is-accessibility@apple.com">is-accessibility@apple.com</a> <br></div><div> write me some thing off list if you would like me to ask my math jacks person to help <br></div><div>lucy <br></div><div><br></div><div> Lucia Greco<br></div><div dir="ltr">Web Accessibility Evangelist <br>IST - Architecture, Platforms, and Integration<br>University of California, Berkeley<br>(510) 289-6008 skype: lucia1-greco<br><a href="http://webaccess.berkeley.edu" target="_blank">http://webaccess.berkeley.edu</a><br>Follow me on twitter @accessaces<br><br></div><div><div><div dir="ltr" class="m_8745978195240834088gmail_signature" data-smartmail="gmail_signature"><div dir="ltr"><div></div></div></div></div><br></div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Fri, Sep 13, 2019 at 6:50 AM Susan Kelmer <<a href="mailto:Susan.Kelmer@colorado.edu" target="_blank">Susan.Kelmer@colorado.edu</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:rgb(31,73,125)">Breakthrough…we convinced the student he needs to move to Windows and a screen reader. He has some very limited sight, and he’s been getting through that way
and by having his (very smart) mom read him his math. He has an enormous portable CCTV in a big suitcase he drags around everywhere on campus for use in the classroom. He has not invested in learning the technical skills he needs to navigate higher-level
math (he’s a dual major in math and computer science!), and it is really time for him to make that transition. His eyesight is worsening by the day.<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:rgb(31,73,125)">He has a technology consult with Voc Rehab next week, and will be asking the questions, and hopefully getting a technology update. We are hoping he can do this
with a dual-boot on his Mac, because he really really really wants to keep his Mac for all the other stuff he does. I also tried to help him understand that if he was going into programming and network support, he was going to have to have Windows for that
as well. He’s already running into problems with the C++ class he is taking. I’m working with our digital accessibility guy here, who has good experience in this area, to make sure I’m giving the student the best information. This student really does need
to move to a screen reading environment. He may not want to do this, but he may also find once he does, things will become so much easier for him and his learning will advance by leaps and bounds.<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:rgb(31,73,125)">This has been such a frustrating endeavor. Technology really does need to catch up with what students are using. There are lots of choices, however convoluted,
for Windows, and very few for the Mac.<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:rgb(31,73,125)">And Sean Keegan, I did attempt the mathjax route, and could not get it to work on the mac I have to play with. I did not think to try an older version, so when
I have some free time, I may play around with that. It’s another option to be used in the future.
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">From:</span></b><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> athen-list <<a href="mailto:athen-list-bounces@mailman12.u.washington.edu" target="_blank">athen-list-bounces@mailman12.u.washington.edu</a>>
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Sean Keegan<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Thursday, September 12, 2019 6:34 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> Access Technology Higher Education Network <<a href="mailto:athen-list@u.washington.edu" target="_blank">athen-list@u.washington.edu</a>><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Athen] Has ANYONE had success getting math to read on a Mac...and how...<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">I did some testing with VoiceOver and Safari and found that MathJax 2.x versions seemed to work okay. When encountering an equation the first time if using MathJax 2.7.5 and 2.7.6, VoiceOver appears to automatically jump "into" the math
equation such that the user has to then "move out" a level to continue navigating the page. Not a major issue, but certainly something to note. Navigating an equation did not seem quite as clean as it used to be, but I was able to navigate within an equation
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<p class="MsoNormal">I tried working with MathJax 3 with VoiceOver+Safari and it could not get anything to function. MathJax ver 3 is supposed to be a significant change from previous versions, so it may take AT some time to catch up.<u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black">MathML in either an HTML or XHTML file should work fine with Safari and VoiceOver...at least it does for me. However, I note that there is something weird going on with MathJax,
which used to work fine. It doesn't want to read the math properly and page navigation gets stuck on math islands. I don't know if this is due to recent changes in MathJax, but I know that it used to work fine. If you are creating content from MathType, I
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<b>Sent:</b> Thursday, September 12, 2019 12:29 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> Access Technology Higher Education Network <<a href="mailto:athen-list@u.washington.edu" target="_blank">athen-list@u.washington.edu</a>><br>
<b>Subject:</b> [Athen] Has ANYONE had success getting math to read on a Mac...and how...</span>
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<span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">Okay, I’ve now tried it all. I have a low vision student in math/computer science that refuses to switch to a Windows machine or to use any type of screenreader. I’ve tried every available file
type in every available browser and application.<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">Epub3 in ibooks with Voiceover (it skips punctuation or adds random punctuation and I can’t figure out how to more finely tune the verbosity)<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">Word with MathType in Word<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">MathML in Safari (I get a javascript error)<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">MathML in Firefox (won’t open, just sits and spins)<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">Help help help!!<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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