<div><div dir="auto">Brandon, </div></div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div><div dir="auto">I work in the field. It’s my understanding that if non-disabled students are expected to purchase/rent/borrow their course books, the students with print related disabilities must purchase their books as well. Proof of ownership or possession is required by copyright law. Why hold up a double standard?</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">Just curious at your justification. Anyone could check the material out from the library, if there are enough copies. Are you asserting that because the library owns one copy of a book, this exempts disabled students from being required to purchase/rent/borrow their books?</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">It is not the publishers’ legal responsibility to provide accessible copies of their published books. Should they? A question which we may resolve during our careers. Perhaps. But to knowingly expose your college to a violation of current copyright law seems risky to me.</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">Thanks for indulging me my questions & concerns.</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">Wink</div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Thu, Jan 16, 2020 at 6:38 PM Butler, Brandon (bcb4y) <<a href="mailto:bcb4y@virginia.edu">bcb4y@virginia.edu</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
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<div>All but the ones who cannot read the formats that textbook publishers have chosen to make available for purchase/loan/rent. The law empowers libraries and others to provide copies to folks with print disabilities outside the market context, because the
market has massively, systemically failed to serve folks with disabilities. You can learn more in our white paper, linked in my last post. </div>
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On January 16, 2020, at 5:24 PM, "Butler, Brandon (bcb4y)" <<a href="mailto:bcb4y@virginia.edu" target="_blank">bcb4y@virginia.edu</a>> wrote:<br>
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On the copyright issue, I wouldn’t worry. There is actually no need for the student to buy the textbook at all (see our <a href="https://www.arl.org/resources/the-law-and-accessible-texts-reconciling-civil-rights-and-copyrights/" target="_blank">white paper</a> about
copyright and accessibility) unless the publisher requires it as part of an arrangement you have with them (such as through the Access Text Network) and you’ve agreed to comply with that requirement. But in that case, I would definitely get the latest edition
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<div>I have a question about how different campuses manage alternate format delivery for textbooks when the required edition is different from a digital version that your office may already have from a previous year or other student. For example, if
your office has a digital version of the sixth edition of a textbook and a student has purchased the seventh edition but needs some remediation to make the book accessible digitally, what do you do? Do you request the seventh edition from the publisher (or
Bookshare, or AccessText, or whatever your process is)? Do you check with the student and the instructor and deliver the sixth edition if it would still work for the class? What about copyright, since the student bought a different edition of the book?</div>
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<div>We've been talking about this a lot in our office, and we haven't landed on a great solution yet. I'd love to hear how other offices handle this sort of thing.</div>
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