<div dir="ltr">Yes, I would be curious to see how VoiceOver behaves with it. I could try it on my iPhone but that would be cumbersome.<div><br></div><div>One thing I haven't been able to do is get NVDA to read the outline view pane. I can get to the outline pane but then nothing is read when move through outline with the down arrow. I assume that is possible. That would be a good demonstration to students. Thanks for the feedback.</div><div><br></div><div>-Howard</div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Fri, Jan 31, 2020 at 6:36 AM Robert Beach <<a href="mailto:rbeach@kckcc.edu" target="_blank">rbeach@kckcc.edu</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">
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