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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D">Robert and Stephen, Thank you getting back to me. The thing is there will be times when it’s a table without <th> and the screen reader would still announce that the user is in a table with so many rows and columns.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b>From:</b> athen-list <athen-list-bounces@mailman12.u.washington.edu>
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Stephen (Alex) Marositz<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Thursday, February 13, 2020 10:18 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> Access Technology Higher Education Network <athen-list@u.washington.edu><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Athen] NVDA, JAWS, and tables<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Hello <b><span style="font-size:13.0pt">Khoa<o:p></o:p></span></b></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">I think the problem is if the table is not marked up with <th> then the screen reader assumes it is a layout table, not a data table and will not allow the user to use standard table reading commands. I guess Layout tables were so common
that screen reader manufacturers were kind of forced in to this approach even though it enables bad web design.
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<p class="MsoNormal">I hope this helps<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Stephen Alex Marositz<br>
ATI Coordinator<br>
CSUDH<br>
Ext 3077<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b>From:</b> athen-list <<a href="mailto:athen-list-bounces@mailman12.u.washington.edu">athen-list-bounces@mailman12.u.washington.edu</a>>
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Khoa Pham<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, February 12, 2020 4:02 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> Access Technology Higher Education Network <<a href="mailto:athen-list@u.washington.edu">athen-list@u.washington.edu</a>><br>
<b>Subject:</b> [Athen] NVDA, JAWS, and tables<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Hi everyone,<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Recently when I’ve used NVDA or JAWS to test a page, either on Canvas or OU Campus, I notice it does not detect or announce that I’m currently focusing on a table’s contents. The table does not have the proper html mark-up such as <th>
or caption. If it does then the screen reader recognizes the table and announces it. I’ve created my own table with no mark-up in both platform and came out with the same result.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Correct me if I’m wrong, but aren’t screen readers supposed to announce when you’re in table regardless if they are marked up with a table heard or not? I’ve made sure all my screen readers are up to date already. Thank you in advance for
your input.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:13.0pt">Khoa Pham<o:p></o:p></span></b></p>
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