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<div style="margin: 0px;"><font face="Helvetica"><span style="font-style: normal; font-size: 14px;">I wonder if you focus your energies on making the PDF accessible (rather than having two versions) if that’s not the better way to go since that is required
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<div style="margin: 0px;"><font face="Helvetica"><span style="font-style: normal; font-size: 14px;">PDFs that are visually aesthetic and fully accessible does not seem like a bad request to me.</span></font></div>
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<p class="airmail_on">On September 15, 2020 at 11:01:11 AM, Stager, Catherine (<a href="mailto:catherine.stager@frontrange.edu">catherine.stager@frontrange.edu</a>) wrote:</p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Our accessible, digital versions are done in HTML5. Everything is semantically marked up, bullets are true bullets, lists are true lists, etc. I can easily pull that HTML into an accessible PDF, but the issue I’m encountering is they want
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<b>Subject:</b><span class="apple-converted-space"> </span>[EXT][Athen] Accessible Digital Content - Still Need PDF</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Good morning! We are currently required to create PDFs for many projects because they were promised to funders. We are trying our hardest to push people away from PDFs, but it will be years before we get to a place of zero PDFs.<o:p></o:p></p>
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