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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Cambria",serif;color:#1F3864">I agree. ABBYY often has sales on their OCR tool and I think it is on sale now…just got an e-mail about a promotion. As someone who uses adaptive technology having
access to digital content is not the same as having that content be accessible/usable. I need to be able to read it and understand what I am reading (I hate hyphenated text where words are divided).<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Cambria",serif;color:#1F3864">When it comes to OCR tools, if you are providing alternate format or even making the PDF accessible, using a standalone OCR tool is the best place to start. I also
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Cambria",serif;color:#1F3864">With FineReader I can do the OCR then save the document as a searchable PDF, EPUB, Word document or other formats.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<b>On Behalf Of </b>Susan Kelmer<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, June 16, 2021 1:35 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> Access Technology Higher Education Network <athen-list@u.washington.edu><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Athen] Replacing Adobe Pro with FoxIT Pro<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">We do create a LOT of alternate format, so having a good OCR engine/program is critical. You get a better overall result with less manual labor to fix problems
if you use a better product.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">Using Omnipage, we are able to OCR straight to ascii text (Abbyy does this too) so we can create very very clean word files with near-perfect formatting and navigation.
It deals well with foreign language, which is a huge plus as we do many books with mixed languages. It also does not balk at poorly-scanned materials; oftentimes the OCR is virtually perfect with Omnipage, so again, less manual labor to fix problems.
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">Adobe’s OCR is good in a pinch, for something that will be a quick read, but you will get a better result overall with a true OCR program. Even scanners that
come with OCR software don’t use Adobe. They use CapturePerfect’s engine, or some other, that produces a better-quality result. Adobe is great for breaking up files or cropping or other types of editing, but really substandard in Adobe.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">Additionally, I will say that cost should almost NEVER be a factor when deciding which software to use – functionality/quality of production is the ONLY consideration.
Creating substandard materials because the campus is too cheap to pay for appropriate tools will not win you any friends if you are sued by the Office of Civil Rights (either DOJ or DOE). Also, having better tools will mean less labor time to get the right
accessible text for your student, and saved time is saved money. <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">We create thousands of accessible documents every single semester, the vast majority of which were originally PDFs. I have consistently for 20 years, for functional,
effective software and hardware in order to produce quality materials for students. I pretend I do not know the meaning of the word “no” when it comes to requesting what we need to do our jobs.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<b>On Behalf Of </b>Robert Spangler<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, June 16, 2021 11:25 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> Access Technology Higher Education Network <<a href="mailto:athen-list@u.washington.edu">athen-list@u.washington.edu</a>><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Athen] Replacing Adobe Pro with FoxIT Pro<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Hi Susan, thanks for your reply. Can you explain more why OCR isn't as good in Adobe as it is in Abbyy? We have a very old version of Abbyy which is no longer supported, and I would probably have a hard time making the argument to purchase
both Abbyy and Adobe, or Abbyy and FoxIT as it may be in the future. I personally have not found Adobe OCR to be a problem, but I'm sure the volume of OCR work you do exceeds mine so you'd have a better idea.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">On Wed, Jun 16, 2021 at 1:16 PM Susan Kelmer <<a href="mailto:Susan.Kelmer@colorado.edu">Susan.Kelmer@colorado.edu</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">If you are using Adobe Pro for OCR, you are missing better functionality that could be had with Abbyy
Finereader or Omnipage (we are an Omni shop and I would never count on Adobe Pro for OCR). We only use Adobe Pro for breaking up files or fixing reading order, that sort of thing. Its ability to OCR is definitely substandard.
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">I cannot speak for the accessibility of FoxIT, so hopefully others have good, solid answers.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<b>On Behalf Of </b>Robert Spangler<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, June 16, 2021 11:09 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> Access Technology Higher Education Network <<a href="mailto:athen-list@u.washington.edu" target="_blank">athen-list@u.washington.edu</a>><br>
<b>Subject:</b> [Athen] Replacing Adobe Pro with FoxIT Pro</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">Hi all, our campus is encouraging all units to stop purchasing Adobe Pro, and instead switch to FoxIT Pro. We primarily use Adobe Pro for OCR as well as editing book scans and
publisher files. Does anyone here have experience with FoxIT? How is its accessibility with screen readers? I understand that the ability of blind people to edit PDFs is limited anyway, but is navigating the program interface accessible? Can it perform
OCR as well as Adobe, and handle all the book editing functions? Thanks for your responses!<o:p></o:p></p>
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