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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">Forms are indeed tough – when I used to more regularly train staff on doing forms it was a full day of training. At this point I send most forms to Appligent – more time and cost effective that way as it costs
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:0in"><b><span style="font-size:11.0pt">From:</span></b><span style="font-size:11.0pt"> athen-list <athen-list-bounces@mailman12.u.washington.edu>
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Susan Kelmer<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Monday, October 4, 2021 10:28 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> Access Technology Higher Education Network <athen-list@u.washington.edu><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Athen] Update: PDF Maker problems<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D">Peter, this is why many of us will still have jobs long into the future. I find the Adobe tools to make things “accessible” to be less than useful, and extremely time-consuming to use. You
fix one thing to find you broke another. Every year they release updates and “new ways” of doing things, that still don’t work.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D">I gave up on remediating PDFs after spending weeks trying to create an accessible form.
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D">NO ONE has that kind of time. NO ONE.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:0in"><b><span style="font-size:11.0pt">From:</span></b><span style="font-size:11.0pt"> athen-list <athen-list-bounces@mailman12.u.washington.edu>
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Bossley, Peter A.<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Monday, October 4, 2021 6:21 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> Access Technology Higher Education Network <athen-list@u.washington.edu>; chagnon@pubcom.com<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Athen] Update: PDF Maker problems<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">Susan,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">As a former student who always asked for Word / RTF as my format, I don’t disagree with you. On the other hand, from an institutional perspective, the reality is that lots of people around campus are going
to use PDF. With that as a backdrop we really need to have a good way of making them accessible. It is pretty annoying when we train folks to use the Acrobat tools because they (usually) work better than the other methods just to have this happen.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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</span><b><span style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#BB0000;background:white">Peter Bossley</span></b><span style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#333333"><br>
Deputy ADA Coordinator<br>
</span><span style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#BB0000;background:white">ADA Coordinator's Office -</span><span style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#333333"> Office of Institutional Equity<br>
260 Younkin Success Center, 1640 Neil Ave, Columbus, OH 43201<br>
614-688-3028 Office<br>
<a href="mailto:bossley.5@osu.edu"><span style="background:white">bossley.5@osu.edu</span></a> /
<a href="http://ada.osu.edu/"><span style="background:white">ada.osu.edu</span></a>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:0in"><b><span style="font-size:11.0pt">From:</span></b><span style="font-size:11.0pt"> athen-list <<a href="mailto:athen-list-bounces@mailman12.u.washington.edu">athen-list-bounces@mailman12.u.washington.edu</a>>
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Susan Kelmer<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, September 28, 2021 9:53 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> <a href="mailto:chagnon@pubcom.com">chagnon@pubcom.com</a>; Access Technology Higher Education Network <<a href="mailto:athen-list@u.washington.edu">athen-list@u.washington.edu</a>><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Athen] Update: PDF Maker problems<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:0in"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D">All of this mess just reinforces, to me, that PDFs should NOT be being produced/remediated and given to students using screenreaders. I don’t have these problems with
well-formatted Microsoft Word or HTML files. <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:0in"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D">Sometimes I feel like a bit of a dinosaur, steadfastly continuing to create really great quality Word and HTML files for my students with VI, and not even attempting
to make a PDF accessible for them, or to create a PDF as output.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:0in"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D">Until Adobe gets its act together, there is absolutely no reason for me to waste time trying to make PDFs work. It is not “easy” or “fast” to remediate a PDF file,
and even more importantly, the resulting PDF output is not effective! Why are we collectively banging our heads against the wall, as if there weren’t a different path we could (and should?) be following?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:0in"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D">Just my cranky .02 this morning.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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