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</o:shapelayout></xml><![endif]--></head><body lang=EN-US link="#0563C1" vlink="#954F72" style='word-wrap:break-word'><div class=WordSection1><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt'>Best method to create accessible PDF forms:<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt'>An accessible layout in Adobe InDesign (with the form fields in place) + export to tagged accessible PDF.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoListParagraph style='mso-list:l0 level1 lfo2'><![if !supportLists]><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Symbol'><span style='mso-list:Ignore'>·<span style='font:7.0pt "Times New Roman"'> </span></span></span><![endif]><span style='font-size:11.0pt'>The tag reading order is perfect.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoListParagraph style='mso-list:l0 level1 lfo2'><![if !supportLists]><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Symbol'><span style='mso-list:Ignore'>·<span style='font:7.0pt "Times New Roman"'> </span></span></span><![endif]><span style='font-size:11.0pt'>The architectural reading order is perfect.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoListParagraph style='mso-list:l0 level1 lfo2'><![if !supportLists]><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Symbol'><span style='mso-list:Ignore'>·<span style='font:7.0pt "Times New Roman"'> </span></span></span><![endif]><span style='font-size:11.0pt'>Form fields have tooltips.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoListParagraph style='mso-list:l0 level1 lfo2'><![if !supportLists]><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Symbol'><span style='mso-list:Ignore'>·<span style='font:7.0pt "Times New Roman"'> </span></span></span><![endif]><span style='font-size:11.0pt'>And the form field reading order is perfect.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoListParagraph style='mso-list:l0 level1 lfo2'><![if !supportLists]><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Symbol'><span style='mso-list:Ignore'>·<span style='font:7.0pt "Times New Roman"'> </span></span></span><![endif]><span style='font-size:11.0pt'>Only needs checking, testing, and minor tweaks in Acrobat.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoListParagraph style='mso-list:l0 level1 lfo2'><![if !supportLists]><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Symbol'><span style='mso-list:Ignore'>·<span style='font:7.0pt "Times New Roman"'> </span></span></span><![endif]><span style='font-size:11.0pt'>And it’s editable: go back to the source InDesign layout, make editorial changes, re-export to PDF and you’re done.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt'>But it does require two things:<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoListParagraph style='mso-list:l1 level1 lfo1'><![if !supportLists]><span style='font-size:11.0pt'><span style='mso-list:Ignore'>1.<span style='font:7.0pt "Times New Roman"'> </span></span></span><![endif]><span style='font-size:11.0pt'>Training in how to make accessible PDFs from Adobe InDesign, and<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoListParagraph style='mso-list:l1 level1 lfo1'><![if !supportLists]><span style='font-size:11.0pt'><span style='mso-list:Ignore'>2.<span style='font:7.0pt "Times New Roman"'> </span></span></span><![endif]><span style='font-size:11.0pt'>Training in how to make accessible PDF forms from Adobe InDesign. This is an advanced class.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt'>Forms — <b>any kind of form</b> using any software or programming tools — are not for the faint of heart! I’m always looking for people with the mindset to do forms for our accessibility shop.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:11.0pt'>If you’re attending AHG in November</span></b><span style='font-size:11.0pt'>, I’m teaching classes in InDesign, Forms from InDesign, and Reviewing/Testing in Acrobat.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt'>—Bevi<o:p></o:p></span></p><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:0in'><b><span style='font-size:11.0pt;color:#D0CECE'>— — —<o:p></o:p></span></b></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:0in'><span style='font-size:11.0pt'>Bevi Chagnon <b><span style='color:#AEAAAA'>| </span></b><span style='color:#595959'>Designer, Accessibility Technician</span><b><span style='color:#AEAAAA'> |</span></b> <a href="mailto:Chagnon@PubCom.com"><span style='color:#0563C1'>Chagnon@PubCom.com</span></a> <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:0in'><b><span style='font-size:11.0pt;color:#D0CECE'>— — —<o:p></o:p></span></b></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:0in'><b><span style='font-size:11.0pt'>PubCom: <span style='color:#C00000'>Technologists for Accessible Design + Publishing</span><o:p></o:p></span></b></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:0in'><span style='font-size:11.0pt'>consulting </span><span style='font-size:11.0pt;color:#D0CECE'>•</span><span style='font-size:11.0pt'> training </span><span style='font-size:11.0pt;color:#D0CECE'>•</span><span style='font-size:11.0pt'> development </span><span style='font-size:11.0pt;color:#D0CECE'>•</span><span style='font-size:11.0pt'> design </span><span style='font-size:11.0pt;color:#D0CECE'>•</span><span style='font-size:11.0pt'> sec. 508 services<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:0in'><b><span style='font-size:11.0pt'>Upcoming classes</span></b><span style='font-size:11.0pt'> at <a href="http://www.pubcom.com/classes"><span style='color:#0563C1'>www.PubCom.com/<b>classes</b></span></a> <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:0in'><b><span style='font-size:11.0pt;color:#D0CECE'>— — —<o:p></o:p></span></b></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:0in'><span style='font-size:11.0pt'><a href="https://mailchi.mp/e694edcdfadd/class-discount-3266574"><span style='color:#0563C1'>Latest blog-newsletter</span></a> – <b><a href="https://www.pubcom.com/blog/2020_07-20/alt-text_part-1.shtml"><span style='color:#0563C1'>Simple Guide to Writing Alt-Text</span></a></b> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #E1E1E1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in'><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:0in'><b><span style='font-size:11.0pt'>From:</span></b><span style='font-size:11.0pt'> athen-list <athen-list-bounces@mailman12.u.washington.edu> <b>On Behalf Of </b>Susan Kelmer<br><b>Sent:</b> Monday, October 4, 2021 10:28 AM<br><b>To:</b> Access Technology Higher Education Network <athen-list@u.washington.edu><br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [Athen] Update: PDF Maker problems<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D'>Peter, this is why many of us will still have jobs long into the future. I find the Adobe tools to make things “accessible” to be less than useful, and extremely time-consuming to use. You fix one thing to find you broke another. Every year they release updates and “new ways” of doing things, that still don’t work.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D'>I gave up on remediating PDFs after spending weeks trying to create an accessible form. <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D'>NO ONE has that kind of time. NO ONE.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:0in'><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif;color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></b></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:0in'><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif;color:black'>Susan Kelmer </span></b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif;color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:0in'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif;color:black'>Alternate Format Production Program Manager<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:0in'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif;color:black'>Disability Services<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:0in'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif;color:black'>Division of Student Affairs <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:0in'><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif;color:#CFB87C'>T</span></b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif;color:#1F497D'> </span><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif;color:black'>303 735 4836</span><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif;color:#1F497D'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:0in'><b><u><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif;color:#CFB87C'><a href="http://www.colorado.edu/disabilityservices"><span style='color:#CFB87C'>www.colorado.edu/disabilityservices</span></a> <o:p></o:p></span></u></b></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:0in'><b><u><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#CFB87C'><o:p><span style='text-decoration:none'> </span></o:p></span></u></b></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:0in'><b><u><span style='font-size:10.0pt;color:#CFB87C'><o:p><span style='text-decoration:none'> </span></o:p></span></u></b></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:0in'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica Neue";color:black'><img border=0 width=150 height=56 style='width:1.5625in;height:.5833in' id="_x0000_i1030" src="cid:image001.png@01D7B913.60265100"></span><span style='font-size:11.0pt;color:#0070C0'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:0in'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:0in'><i><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif;color:#1F497D'>Due to the nature of electronic communication, the security of this message cannot be guaranteed. If you’ve received this email in error please notify the sender immediately and delete this message. </span></i><i><span style='font-family:"Times New Roman",serif;color:#1F497D'><o:p></o:p></span></i></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #E1E1E1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in'><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:0in'><b><span style='font-size:11.0pt'>From:</span></b><span style='font-size:11.0pt'> athen-list <<a href="mailto:athen-list-bounces@mailman12.u.washington.edu">athen-list-bounces@mailman12.u.washington.edu</a>> <b>On Behalf Of </b>Bossley, Peter A.<br><b>Sent:</b> Monday, October 4, 2021 6:21 AM<br><b>To:</b> Access Technology Higher Education Network <<a href="mailto:athen-list@u.washington.edu">athen-list@u.washington.edu</a>>; <a href="mailto:chagnon@pubcom.com">chagnon@pubcom.com</a><br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [Athen] Update: PDF Maker problems<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt'>Susan,<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt'>As a former student who always asked for Word / RTF as my format, I don’t disagree with you. On the other hand, from an institutional perspective, the reality is that lots of people around campus are going to use PDF. With that as a backdrop we really need to have a good way of making them accessible. It is pretty annoying when we train folks to use the Acrobat tools because they (usually) work better than the other methods just to have this happen.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;line-height:13.5pt;background:white'><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#333333'><img border=0 width=224 height=45 style='width:2.3333in;height:.4687in' id="Picture_x0020_2" src="cid:image002.png@01D7B913.60265100" alt="The Ohio State University"></span><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#333333'><br></span><b><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#BB0000;background:white'>Peter Bossley</span></b><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#333333'><br>Deputy ADA Coordinator<br></span><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#BB0000;background:white'>ADA Coordinator's Office -</span><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#333333'> Office of Institutional Equity<br>260 Younkin Success Center, 1640 Neil Ave, Columbus, OH 43201<br>614-688-3028 Office<br><a href="mailto:bossley.5@osu.edu"><span style='background:white'>bossley.5@osu.edu</span></a> / <a href="http://ada.osu.edu/"><span style='background:white'>ada.osu.edu</span></a> <o:p></o:p></span></p><div class=MsoNormal align=center style='margin-bottom:0in;text-align:center'><span style='font-size:11.0pt'><hr size=1 width="100%" align=center></span></div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #E1E1E1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in'><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:0in'><b><span style='font-size:11.0pt'>From:</span></b><span style='font-size:11.0pt'> athen-list <<a href="mailto:athen-list-bounces@mailman12.u.washington.edu">athen-list-bounces@mailman12.u.washington.edu</a>> <b>On Behalf Of </b>Susan Kelmer<br><b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, September 28, 2021 9:53 AM<br><b>To:</b> <a href="mailto:chagnon@pubcom.com">chagnon@pubcom.com</a>; Access Technology Higher Education Network <<a href="mailto:athen-list@u.washington.edu">athen-list@u.washington.edu</a>><br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [Athen] Update: PDF Maker problems<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:0in'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D'>All of this mess just reinforces, to me, that PDFs should NOT be being produced/remediated and given to students using screenreaders. I don’t have these problems with well-formatted Microsoft Word or HTML files. <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:0in'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:0in'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D'>Sometimes I feel like a bit of a dinosaur, steadfastly continuing to create really great quality Word and HTML files for my students with VI, and not even attempting to make a PDF accessible for them, or to create a PDF as output.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:0in'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:0in'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D'>Until Adobe gets its act together, there is absolutely no reason for me to waste time trying to make PDFs work. It is not “easy” or “fast” to remediate a PDF file, and even more importantly, the resulting PDF output is not effective! Why are we collectively banging our heads against the wall, as if there weren’t a different path we could (and should?) be following?<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:0in'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:0in'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D'>Just my cranky .02 this morning.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:0in'><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif;color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></b></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:0in'><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif;color:black'>Susan Kelmer </span></b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif;color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:0in'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif;color:black'>Alternate Format Production Program Manager<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:0in'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif;color:black'>Disability Services<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:0in'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif;color:black'>Division of Student Affairs <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:0in'><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif;color:#CFB87C'>T</span></b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif;color:#1F497D'> </span><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif;color:black'>303 735 4836</span><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif;color:#1F497D'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:0in'><b><u><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif;color:#CFB87C'><a href="https://urldefense.com/v3/__http:/www.colorado.edu/disabilityservices__;!!KGKeukY!mpeu2h8RZcMl-0TETiWCGc9m6FnEumciwHPNyV56j4iS_xXB9gCFAMp6ERMuMuMq8g$"><span style='color:#CFB87C'>www.colorado.edu/disabilityservices</span></a> <o:p></o:p></span></u></b></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:0in'><b><u><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#CFB87C'><o:p><span style='text-decoration:none'> </span></o:p></span></u></b></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:0in'><b><u><span style='font-size:10.0pt;color:#CFB87C'><o:p><span style='text-decoration:none'> </span></o:p></span></u></b></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:0in'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica Neue";color:black'><img border=0 width=150 height=56 style='width:1.5625in;height:.5833in' id="Picture_x0020_1" src="cid:image001.png@01D7B913.60265100"></span><span style='font-size:11.0pt;color:#0070C0'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:0in'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:0in'><i><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif;color:#1F497D'>Due to the nature of electronic communication, the security of this message cannot be guaranteed. 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