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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">I am not the copyright police, but I WILL do my due diligence to be sure the student has done their part (they sign an agreement, and they provide some form of
proof of possession). I have several justifications for doing so:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoListParagraph" style="text-indent:-.25in;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo1"><![if !supportLists]><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D"><span style="mso-list:Ignore">1.<span style="font:7.0pt "Times New Roman"">
</span></span></span><![endif]><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">Every student is expected to have a book for class. They have multiple ways of acquiring those books. While the occasional student may be using a
library copy, the vast majority are not. Many of the required textbooks are only available on reserve from the library, they can’t even check them out for the semester. So, every student, including SWDs, are expected to have some format of the book. This
is not discriminatory against SWDs, or any student. <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoListParagraph" style="text-indent:-.25in;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo1"><![if !supportLists]><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D"><span style="mso-list:Ignore">2.<span style="font:7.0pt "Times New Roman"">
</span></span></span><![endif]><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">There are multiple ways to acquire textbooks, and often at reasonable prices. Hard copy, new, used, rental, bought from a roommate or fellow student
or the thrift store, electronic (kindle, Nook, etc.) Books are easily available the vast majority of the time at lower cost; there are a ton of options and choices out there.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoListParagraph" style="text-indent:-.25in;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo1"><![if !supportLists]><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D"><span style="mso-list:Ignore">3.<span style="font:7.0pt "Times New Roman"">
</span></span></span><![endif]><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">Authors deserve to (and earned the right to) be paid for their work! I’m an author. I don’t give away my books for free and I don’t know any author
who gives out their books for free. And we should not expect an author to give away their stuff for free. There’s the law, and then there’s THE RIGHT THING TO DO. I opt for that second whenever there is any question.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoListParagraph" style="text-indent:-.25in;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo1"><![if !supportLists]><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D"><span style="mso-list:Ignore">4.<span style="font:7.0pt "Times New Roman"">
</span></span></span><![endif]><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">Publisher agreements, although not bound by law, often require that the student (or someone) have a copy of the book. Most publishers are generously
providing files to us and not requiring us to provide them with direct proof (exception: Law book publishers). They trust that we are doing the right thing, and I don’t want to break that trust with them. Without publishers participating in the process,
we will be back to the dark ages – having to scan every single book we need. Let’s act with integrity, here, IMHO<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">I think my policy for student ownership of the book is pretty liberal (see number 2 above) and methods for proof of ownership are liberal as well. Can students
cheat? Of course. But I’m doing my due diligence as a Disability Services Professional and doing right by both the student AND the author/publishing house.
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">This can turn into a very hot debate; but I try to see it from multiple angles, and do what feels like the right thing to do. And in my mind, SWDs don’t get
a pass on purchasing classroom-required materials that every other student has to purchase.
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">From:</span></b><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> athen-list <athen-list-bounces@mailman12.u.washington.edu>
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Robert Spangler<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Thursday, December 16, 2021 7:42 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> Access Technology Higher Education Network <athen-list@u.washington.edu><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Athen] Alternate text question<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">As far as I'm concerned, if they are asked to sign a statement that they bought the book, they're responsible for being truthful; I have documentation they signed saying they've bought the book. Clearly I'm not a lawyer, so someone please
let me know if this is not sufficient, but it's not the only example in society where we sign things indicating that we are telling the truth, so it seems appropriate.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">On Wed, Dec 15, 2021 at 6:37 PM <a href="mailto:foreigntype@gmail.com">
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<p class="MsoNormal">I respectfully disagree. I'm going to throw out Jamie Axelrod's NAU info page on what's necessary to fulfill copyright requirements: <a href="https://in.nau.edu/disability-resources/alternate-format-program/#:~:text=Publishers%20currently%20have%20a%20requirement,proof%20of%20purchase%20on%20file" target="_blank">https://in.nau.edu/disability-resources/alternate-format-program/#:~:text=Publishers%20currently%20have%20a%20requirement,proof%20of%20purchase%20on%20file</a>.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">If textbooks are required for classes and the expectation is that all students must have the books (or access to the books) for class, why should students with disabilities be exempted from the requirement? This is federal copyright law.
Among the gods we serve in alt-text production and accommodations, OCR is god#1 and copyright is god#2. <o:p></o:p></p>
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<a href="mailto:foreigntype@gmail.com" target="_blank">foreigntype@gmail.com</a><br>
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<p class="MsoNormal">On Wed, Dec 15, 2021 at 1:33 PM Lissner, L. Scott <<a href="mailto:lissner.2@osu.edu" target="_blank">lissner.2@osu.edu</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="color:black">The short answer is, in my opinion, no. The long answer with supporting documention can be found at
<a href="https://www.arl.org/resources/the-law-and-accessible-texts-reconciling-civil-rights-and-copyrights/" target="_blank">
https://www.arl.org/resources/the-law-and-accessible-texts-reconciling-civil-rights-and-copyrights/</a>
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<span style="font-size:8.0pt;color:black">“The American story is about the slow, yet steady widening of opportunity. Make no mistake: too many dreams have been deferred for too long. We must make the promise of the country real for everybody — no matter their
race, their ethnicity, their faith, their identity or their disability.”</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">On 12/15/21, 1:56 PM, "athen-list on behalf of Kluesner, Bryon" <<a href="mailto:athen-list-bounces@mailman12.u.washington.edu" target="_blank">athen-list-bounces@mailman12.u.washington.edu</a>
on behalf of <a href="mailto:Bryon-Kluesner@utc.edu" target="_blank">Bryon-Kluesner@utc.edu</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">Hi all,<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">When you work with students who have been approved for alternate texts, do you require proof of purchase or proof of having a copy of the text, such as purchase from Amazon, having
a “physical copy”, whether used or bought from a friend?<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">Thanks,<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">Bryon<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="color:black">Bryon Kluesner RhD, ATAC</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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