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Have you considered varying the student's positioning to reduce fatigue? It wasn't mentioned in the discussion. It may be that the student can work longer from a reclined position or with ergonomic arm rests, with the trackball also anchored on an angle.
I have had individuals work from a reclined position with remote access, like keyboard, trackball etc. If a Physical Therapist consult is an option, that may help in determining optimal positioning. </div>
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Within Windows, there is a keyboard setting for text suggestions. It is under Typing: show text suggestions as I type. This doesn't offer the range of options that Cowriter does, but it could be a start.</div>
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Additionally, using Mouse Keys may be an option for mouse use to explore. I have used an added number pad and placed that on a angled surface. It would be good to try a range of options. </div>
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<div dir="auto">Katherine et al ATHENites</div>
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<div dir="auto">There are some pretty useful alternatives for the Dasher app. Check out this link for more info:</div>
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<div dir="ltr" class="x_gmail_attr">On Wed, Mar 2, 2022 at 1:47 PM Katherine Deibel <<a href="mailto:kndeibel@metageekery.org">kndeibel@metageekery.org</a>> wrote:<br>
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Dasher</a> would be of benefit? <u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<b>On Behalf Of </b>Karen Latimer<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, March 2, 2022 2:24 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> Access Technology Higher Education Network <<a href="mailto:athen-list@u.washington.edu" target="_blank">athen-list@u.washington.edu</a>><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Athen] AT solution for student with brain injury<u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="x_MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:18.0pt; font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif">Co-writer is still a thing (<a href="https://learningtools.donjohnston.com/product/cowriter/" target="_blank">https://learningtools.donjohnston.com/product/cowriter/</a>).
Other word predictions include the Ginger suite, several google extensions (like Grammarly which actually does sentence prediction), Read and Write for Google, and others. It will depend on which features they are looking for. It might be worthwhile to try
Read and Write for Google (<a href="https://www.texthelp.com/products/read-and-write-education/" target="_blank">https://www.texthelp.com/products/read-and-write-education/</a>) to see how the combination of tools benefits her (speech input, word prediction
etc). There is a free 30 day trial on the extension. She might also find the text-to-speech and highlighting tools useful. I would also look at some different trackballs/mice that might be less fatiguing and faster. Typing with an on-screen keyboard and
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<b>Sent:</b> Monday, February 28, 2022 3:46 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> Access Technology Higher Education Network <<a href="mailto:athen-list@u.washington.edu" target="_blank">athen-list@u.washington.edu</a>><br>
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LipSurf</a> a bit -- it's a really cool extension for the Chrome browser that works much better than Dragon for browsing. Again, I'd recommend a headset over a desktop/laptop microphone. Could be this is a solution for general web browsing but if speech is
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<p>I’m working with a student who has damage to their brain stem as a result of cancer and treatment.<u></u><u></u></p>
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<p>We will look at Dragon as an option, but I’m curious what other solutions or strategies you all might suggest?<u></u><u></u></p>
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