<div dir="ltr">Hey Steve, how about when activating a link causes new content to appear elsewhere on the page? How is that supposed to be handled? I notice quite frequently when this happens, the screen reader says nothing and the focus isn't moved to the position on the page with the new content. I'm left wondering if the link was activated at all (links not activating is an issue at times) or searching the page for the new content. <div><br></div><div>In regards to links opening in new tabs, I don't care much for the practice, but at least a message stating, "Link opened in new tab" or something like that would alleviate the annoyance. I'm not sure of the best way to handle this for other situations, but at least for screen readers this would be appropriate.</div><div><br></div><div>Thanks,</div><div>Robert</div><div><br></div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Fri, Apr 22, 2022 at 9:09 AM Steve Green <<a href="mailto:steve.green@testpartners.co.uk">steve.green@testpartners.co.uk</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span>Opening a new tab *is* considered a change of context. WCAG specifically defines a change of viewport as a change of context. See
<a href="https://www.w3.org/WAI/WCAG21/Understanding/change-on-request.html#dfn-changes-of-context" target="_blank">
https://www.w3.org/WAI/WCAG21/Understanding/change-on-request.html#dfn-changes-of-context</a>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span>However, for links, it’s an expected change of context. Everyone knows that it can happen, even if they don’t expect it to in a particular circumstance.<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span>I am certainly not advocating opening links in new tabs – I have seen it cause plenty of problems during user testing with screen reader users, screen magnifier users and dyslexic people. But it’s
only an annoyance, not a complete barrier.<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span>And WCAG 2.1 AA is hardly the barest minimum of accessibility – a website that is fully conformant will be accessible to the vast majority of disabled people.<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Steve Green<u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12pt"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:12pt;font-family:Tahoma,sans-serif">> There’s plenty of evidence that it does not confusion in some users, notably those with cognitive issues.<br>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:12pt;font-family:Tahoma,sans-serif"> There’s plenty of evidence that it does create confusion in some users, notably those with cognitive issues.<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:12pt;font-family:Tahoma,sans-serif">I’ll stand corrected but it greatly bothers me that opening a new tab is not considered a change of context. There’s plenty of evidence that it does not confusion
in some users, notably those with cognitive issues. Plus, it creates a whole new browsing context in terms of browser history.
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:12pt;font-family:Tahoma,sans-serif">Once again, a good example of how WCAG is the barest minimum of accessibility.<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:12pt;font-family:Tahoma,sans-serif">Katherine “Kate” Deibel, PhD<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<b>Sent:</b> Friday, April 22, 2022 12:58 AM<br>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US">> Strictly WCAG, you need to provide an indication of this unexpected behavior as it creates a change of context for the user.<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US">That's a matter of interpretation. If you're alluding to WCAG 3.2.2 On Input, clicking a link and going to a new page (whether in the existing tab or a new tab/window) is *expected* behavior because that's what a link
does. You don't have to tell the user you're going to do that. <u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US">We had a discussion about this recently on the WebAIM forum -
<a href="https://webaim.org/discussion/mail_thread?thread=10383#post0" target="_blank">https://webaim.org/discussion/mail_thread?thread=10383#post0</a><u></u><u></u></span></p>
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