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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D">Not to get into intense details on the student, but none of the Bookshare versions are going to work for him. That is the end of the discussion on this.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D">The student’s disabilities require a perfectly formatted MS Word version, including images, appropriate heading levels, page numbers, a table of contents with page numbers, and an index with page numbers.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D">While Bookshare may be some sort of solution for some sorts of students, it is not a solution for this particular student. If I could have massaged the Bookshare version into something resembling what the student
requires, I would have done that.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D">In the meantime, a lovely member of this group sent me the PDF files, and I’ve already completed converting 3 chapters to what the student needs since this morning, without having to locate a hard copy of the
book for understanding the layout, figuring out the page numbers, adding page numbers to the table of contents or the index, or scanning any images to add into the text for the student to access. Additionally, all headings were marked clearly through level
6! Wonder of wonders!<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D">In other words…the PDF is easier for me to work with to convert to Word. The PDF contains all of the elements of the original print book. The PDF means I don’t have to go out and find other information, or
figure out layout, teach the student to use a different reader to access an ePub that doesn’t work for him, etc.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D">I asked for a PDF of this book. I received one from another member of this group. And yes, after two days, Macmillan sent me a PDF version of this title, which I also now have access to.
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D">Now, I need to get back to work. The student needs these files in a few days, and I have a deadline to meet. When Bookshare can give me PDFs, I’ll reconsider my stance on how they operate. Until then, they
are not going to be my first choice for accessible materials, because I am not finding them to be accessible at all and create a barrier not only for the student, but for my work in providing alternate format/media to students with complex disabilities.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b>From:</b> athen-list <athen-list-bounces@mailman12.u.washington.edu>
<b>On Behalf Of </b>kerscher@montana.com<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, April 26, 2022 3:02 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> 'Access Technology Higher Education Network' <athen-list@u.washington.edu><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Athen] Does anyone have this book in PDF? Or anything but an ePub??<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Hello,<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Good news on this title!!!<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">I just downloaded it from Bookshare.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">It is published by Macmillan Learning It has page numbers and images and is WCAG AA compliant.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">Also, Macmillan Learning has a policy of providing the PDF if for some reason a PDF is needed.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">I opened it in Thorium Reader on Windows and read the Accessibility Summary. I then went directly to page 100.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">I believe this also uses MathML which is a terrific feature.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">A wonderfully accessible publication.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Best<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">George<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b>From:</b> athen-list <<a href="mailto:athen-list-bounces@mailman12.u.washington.edu">athen-list-bounces@mailman12.u.washington.edu</a>>
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Kamran Rasul<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, April 26, 2022 2:25 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> Access Technology Higher Education Network <<a href="mailto:athen-list@u.washington.edu">athen-list@u.washington.edu</a>><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Athen] Does anyone have this book in PDF? Or anything but an ePub??<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">Unless I am misunderstanding the email chain, Kurzweil opens for both desktop and universal library epub formatted materials.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">It is true lack of proper page numbering can be an issue and no images either.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:black">Kamran Rasul, MEd.</span><span style="font-size:10.0pt;color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:black">Assistive Technology/Alternate Format Specialist<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b>From:</b> athen-list <<a href="mailto:athen-list-bounces@mailman12.u.washington.edu">athen-list-bounces@mailman12.u.washington.edu</a>>
<b>On Behalf Of </b><a href="mailto:kerscher@montana.com">kerscher@montana.com</a><br>
<b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, April 26, 2022 3:50 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> 'Access Technology Higher Education Network' <<a href="mailto:athen-list@u.washington.edu">athen-list@u.washington.edu</a>><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Athen] Does anyone have this book in PDF? Or anything but an ePub??<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Hi,<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">You know that Kurzweil has an EPUB reader for the Mac. Have they released the one for Windows?<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Best<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b>From:</b> athen-list <<a href="mailto:athen-list-bounces@mailman12.u.washington.edu">athen-list-bounces@mailman12.u.washington.edu</a>>
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Susan Kelmer<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, April 26, 2022 12:49 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> Access Technology Higher Education Network <<a href="mailto:athen-list@u.washington.edu">athen-list@u.washington.edu</a>><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Athen] Does anyone have this book in PDF? Or anything but an ePub??<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D">Unfortunately, George, all of these formats need a ton of work on our end to be converted to what the student needs to work with. The ePub doesn’t have page numbers and it also cannot be read by Kurzweil. The
Word version has no images and no workable table of contents or index (kind of important for this kind of book). The student is not blind so Braille and Daisy are not appropriate either.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D">I only ever ask for a PDF when I need one, and in this case, I need one. Publisher is only providing an ePub, which does not meet this student’s needs.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif;color:black">Susan Kelmer
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif;color:black">Alternate Format Production Program Manager<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b>From:</b> athen-list <<a href="mailto:athen-list-bounces@mailman12.u.washington.edu">athen-list-bounces@mailman12.u.washington.edu</a>>
<b>On Behalf Of </b><a href="mailto:kerscher@montana.com">kerscher@montana.com</a><br>
<b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, April 26, 2022 11:14 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> 'Access Technology Higher Education Network' <<a href="mailto:athen-list@u.washington.edu">athen-list@u.washington.edu</a>><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Athen] Does anyone have this book in PDF? Or anything but an ePub??<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">This is in the Bookshare collection, so I believe you could get it in Word, MP3, BRF, DAISY, and of course EPUB.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Best<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b>From:</b> athen-list <<a href="mailto:athen-list-bounces@mailman12.u.washington.edu">athen-list-bounces@mailman12.u.washington.edu</a>>
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Susan Kelmer<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, April 26, 2022 8:17 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> Access Technology Higher Education Network <<a href="mailto:athen-list@u.washington.edu">athen-list@u.washington.edu</a>><br>
<b>Subject:</b> [Athen] Does anyone have this book in PDF? Or anything but an ePub??<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Organic Chemistry, 7<sup>th</sup> ed, Loudon, isbn 9781319188429 or 9781319335915<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">TIA!<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif;color:black">Susan Kelmer
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif;color:black">Disability Services<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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