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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif">I’ll just add a few things.
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<li class="MsoListParagraph" style="margin-left:0in;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo1"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif">It’s always worth it to spot check even the “fully supports” items. I wish I could say I’ve not experienced incorrectly
filled out VPATs, but the reality is that more than half had such errors. Sometimes, the people filling out the VPAT don’t know how to do the proper testing. Other times, I suspect deliberate lying.<o:p></o:p></span></li><li class="MsoListParagraph" style="margin-left:0in;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo1"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif">In terms of weighting the VPAT entries, I always put heavier weights on the level A elements. If those are missing, the
fundamentals are going to be lacking.<o:p></o:p></span></li><li class="MsoListParagraph" style="margin-left:0in;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo1"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif">It’s always important to consider the contextual factors. Sometimes, the software is for a niche purpose. I once reviewed
some audio editing software where the VPAT admitted there was no support for captions and audio descriptions. Since the lab using that software was literally only for sound quality improvement, that was okay. Moreover, the lack of support for deaf and hard
of hearing issues was deemed less critical given the need for hearing for the job.
<o:p></o:p></span></li><li class="MsoListParagraph" style="margin-left:0in;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo1"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif">And while I applaud the optimism of the 100% accessible, they are in for a harsh reality. Although products are improving
a lot a in recent years, I don’t think I’ve ever seen a 100% WCAG 2 AA compliant application. And that’s just compliance. WCAG has a huge support gap when it comes to a lot of cognitive disabilities.
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif">Katherine “Kate” Deibel, PhD<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif">Library Accessibility Specialist<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif">Twitter:
<a href="https://twitter.com/metageeky"><span style="color:#0563C1">https://twitter.com/metageeky</span></a><br>
GitHub: <a href="https://github.com/metageeky"><span style="color:#0563C1">https://github.com/metageeky</span></a></span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b>From:</b> athen-list <athen-list-bounces@mailman12.u.washington.edu>
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Normajean.Brand<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Friday, May 13, 2022 4:08 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> Access Technology Higher Education Network <athen-list@u.washington.edu><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Athen] VPAT?<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana Pro",sans-serif;color:#1F3864">Thank you, Glen! And Jeanna!<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana Pro",sans-serif;color:#1F3864">This. This is what I’m trying to teach the faculty and others, including procurement, about VPATs. It’s not a ‘score’ or ‘percentage’. It seems we have a
newly enthusiastic procurement person who is now team 100% accessible or we don’t use it. I applaud the enthusiasm though. Sometimes I’m battling a department that just won’t budge on their choice of product.
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana Pro",sans-serif;color:#1F3864">I appreciate your thoughts, wisdom, and help. This is above my paygrade but if asked I’m chiming in … because accessibility and usability matters to everyone.
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana Pro",sans-serif;color:#1F3864">Thanks! Have a wonderful weekend,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana Pro",sans-serif;color:#1F3864">NJ<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b>From:</b> athen-list <<a href="mailto:athen-list-bounces@mailman12.u.washington.edu">athen-list-bounces@mailman12.u.washington.edu</a>>
<b>On Behalf Of </b>glen walker<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Friday, May 13, 2022 12:51 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> Access Technology Higher Education Network <<a href="mailto:athen-list@u.washington.edu">athen-list@u.washington.edu</a>><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Athen] VPAT?<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">It'd be nice if, when comparing multiple VPATs, you could get a "score" and then just choose the highest score but it doesn't work like that.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">You could potentially tally up the number of "supports", "partially supports" and "does not support" values and maybe create a score. But a VPAT with a lot of "partially supports" might actually be more accessible than a product with a
lot of "supports" if the latter also has a lot of "does not support". The "not applicable" values should count against a product.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">With a WCAG 2.1 VPAT/ACR, you should have 30 rows in the A table and 20 rows in the AA tables (50 combined).<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Suppose the VPAT has 25 "supports", 15 "partially supports", 7 "does not support", and 3 "not applicable". Is that a 50% score? 25 "supports" out of a total of 50? The "partially supports" should also help the "score".<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">It's a tough call. Ideally, the product with the most "supports" and "partially supports" should win.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">But you might have to evaluate the "does not support" items. It could be that the parts that aren't supported are in a part of the product that you won't be using, so the fact that it doesn't work doesn't matter.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Sometimes you have to pick the product that is "least worst". That is, all the VPATs could be bad but if that's all you have to choose from, try to use the one that sucks the least. But hopefully if that happens, you have the option of
choosing none of them and doing more research for other products.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Glen<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><a href="https://www.linkedin.com/in/glen-walker/">https://www.linkedin.com/in/glen-walker/</a><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">On Fri, May 13, 2022 at 11:08 AM Normajean.Brand <<a href="mailto:normajean.brand@hccs.edu">normajean.brand@hccs.edu</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana Pro",sans-serif;color:#1F3864">Hello All, and good Friday!</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana Pro",sans-serif;color:#1F3864"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana Pro",sans-serif;color:#1F3864">When looking at a VPAT (and I’m not sure I’m even asking the question correctly), what would be
the baseline of acceptable accessibility – 75%, 85%, or something else – as to whether your college would accept and vet a product for use? I know we would all like for products to be 100% accessible, but what is your baseline?
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana Pro",sans-serif;color:#1F3864"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana Pro",sans-serif;color:#1F3864">I hope this makes sense, because I was asked by an academic department looking at procuring new
software, what would be acceptable.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana Pro",sans-serif;color:#1F3864">Thanks for your insight,</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana Pro",sans-serif;color:#1F3864">NJ</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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