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<b>Subject:</b> [EXTERNAL] Re: [Athen] Is anyone familiar with this method for creating accessible math in PDF?</font>
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<p class="x_MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D">You are exactly correct. It may be reading math out loud, but it is not allowing the user to navigate within an equation the way they would need to in order to solve the problem.</span></p>
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<p class="x_MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D">Just turning everything into audio is not a solution. If it were, we wouldn’t be creating so much MathML, Latex, etc. The instructor needs to understand that the output needs to fit the student, and in my
opinion, this would not work at all for student using a screen reader.</span></p>
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<p class="x_MsoNormal"><b>From:</b> athen-list <athen-list-bounces@mailman12.u.washington.edu>
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Morgan Severeid<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Friday, June 10, 2022 4:50 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> athen-list@u.washington.edu<br>
<b>Subject:</b> [Athen] Is anyone familiar with this method for creating accessible math in PDF?</p>
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<p class="x_MsoNormal">Hello!</p>
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<p class="x_MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.5pt; font-family:"Arial",sans-serif; color:#1D1C1D; background:white">I am an Alternative Text Services Coordinator at a University who is advising a faculty member on making his environmental science course
content more accessible for blind students who do not know Braille or read LaTeX. Most of the course content currently exists in a large, untagged PDF which was generated from a LaTeX file. It contains charts, graphs, plain text, math equations, and chemical
equations. Our campus accessibility departments have recommended converting the course content into either a Canvas course (with MathML for equations) or Word Documents with MathML to make the content more accessible for screen reader use.</span></p>
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<span style="background:white">The instructor countered these recommendations with a solution described here in a TeX forum: </span></span><a href="https://nam04.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Ftex.stackexchange.com%2Fquestions%2F454944%2Fis-there-screen-reader-software-or-a-built-in-method-that-supports-latex-equat&data=05%7C01%7Calexis_delevett%40cuesta.edu%7C4ef4535bcde74d84130c08da4d45c414%7Cdd06762afacb4cd7a4a5cc0ba50bcc30%7C0%7C0%7C637907259307333973%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000%7C%7C%7C&sdata=flYaAWOhcKnd5MpnXqwHMYDnJmKZFbk4Nl4uj7IG1aI%3D&reserved=0" originalsrc="https://tex.stackexchange.com/questions/454944/is-there-screen-reader-software-or-a-built-in-method-that-supports-latex-equat" shash="pDtg3+hroUPxJtVELef5sqRTQ2Us9T7oJ9XeTHRMIMdFkVftbgk4m46TkPtoAdFmQX+rrjWwYz0siQawG/IJEu9BEnzsm0jgmabClrrpb9Gu3Bvv8IUfbQ8qtHlvhWJFOdMFS2097fpBly3Dmknofw6Ne8gJ09keirQ9n8ErXCA=" target="_blank"><span style="font-size:11.5pt; font-family:"Arial",sans-serif; background:white">Making
LaTeX Math Audibly Legible</span></a><span style="font-size:11.5pt; font-family:"Arial",sans-serif; color:#1D1C1D; background:white">. Is anyone here familiar with this specific method of making math accessible in a PDF? From what I understand about this method,
this tokcycle package allows you to attach tokens to visible PDF content (like math symbols). This token is where you would type in the spelled-out alternative to each symbol. The token isn't visible in the PDF, but it will be voiced by TTS.</span></p>
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<p class="x_MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.5pt; font-family:"Arial",sans-serif; color:#1D1C1D; background:white">If my understanding is correct, this solution would not allow a screen reader user to interact with the math in the same way that they can
with MathML. So I’m hesitant to approve it over our recommended formats.</span></p>
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<span style="background:white">Does anyone know whether this method works? If anyone here has tried producing or reading math with this method, your feedback is very appreciated!</span></span></p>
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<p class="x_MsoNormal">Sincerely,</p>
<p class="x_MsoNormal">Morgan</p>
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