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Amazing, thanks for some more background. If there are any resources out there you can recommend, that sounds like some interesting history to read up on and learn how and why journals converged on a publishing standard whereas textbooks have not...</div>
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<p class="x_MsoNormal">Many scholarly journalsare written in the XML vocabulary called “Journal Article Tag Suite” (JATS). This is a rich vocabulary the journal artless are authored in. They are then transformed into normally HTML or PDF for consumption. There
is an accessibility working group for JATS that has just been started.Some of the issues they are dealing with is making sure the articles have proper markup for tables and alt text being provided.</p>
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<p class="x_MsoNormal">There is huge potential to make scholarly publications accessible through transformations into HTML that has full accessibility markup.</p>
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<p class="x_MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12.0pt; color:black">Thanks, that's great news about articles generally being tagged.</span></p>
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<p class="x_MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12.0pt; color:black">Of course, your experience may be different also for textbooks, but I more often than not find that textbooks in PDF are not tagged and so now I'm wondering why textbooks are treated differently
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<p class="x_xmsonormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt; font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif; color:#1F497D">I doubt many of the publisher-produced PDFs are not accessible/tagged. Every article I run into on a library database produced by a publisher is well-formatted
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<p class="x_xmsonormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt; font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif; color:#1F497D">The author specifically points to librarians creating documents using Microsoft word, so I’m assuming these are in-house documents. You don’t create a PDF
in Adobe PDF, you create it somewhere else and export it to PDF, with tags and etc. This is why I feel like the author doesn’t really understand what he is talking about. Even a basically formatted Word file with the use of styles/headings exports as a nice
PDF once it is done, and it takes very little time to do that.</span></p>
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<p class="x_xmsonormal"><span style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif; color:black">Say we are stuck with PDF as the de facto storage format, why are Libraries still accepting untagged PDFs from publishers? Aren't they then on the hook for providing inaccessible
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<p class="x_xxmsonormal"><span style="color:#1F497D">Well, there is some glaring misinformation in there, and definitely too short a piece to be truly useful.</span></p>
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<p class="x_xxmsonormal"><span style="color:#1F497D">Remediating a PDF is difficult and time-consuming, while creating a good quality accessible WORD document is easy and only takes a few steps. That good quality Word file, which only took a few minutes to
create properly, can then be output to multiple formats, including tagged PDF and HTML.</span></p>
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<p class="x_xxmsonormal"><span style="color:#1F497D">I am not sure the author really understands what he is talking about.
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<p class="x_xxmsonormal" style="background:white; vertical-align:baseline"><span style="font-size:12.0pt; font-family:inherit; color:black">Sorry, this article might not be the best thing to share on a Friday afternoon, but here it is. I’m not agreeing with
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<p class="x_xxmsonormal" style="background:white; vertical-align:baseline"><span style="font-size:12.0pt; font-family:inherit; color:black">Chee, M., & Weaver, K. (2022). The great PDF debate: Accessible or impossible?. <em><span style="font-family:inherit; border:none windowtext 1.0pt; padding:0in">College
& Research Libraries News, 83</span></em>(8), 363. doi:<a href="https://nam04.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fdoi.org%2F10.5860%2Fcrln.83.8.363&data=05%7C01%7Calexis_delevett%40cuesta.edu%7C139aea167b2f4f5baa4608da92b294af%7Cdd06762afacb4cd7a4a5cc0ba50bcc30%7C0%7C0%7C637983592954905669%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000%7C%7C%7C&sdata=HWJy%2FOPtqip9szJYIA6bIXUh%2BzcktFqR2tgo7ceSgB8%3D&reserved=0" originalsrc="https://doi.org/10.5860/crln.83.8.363" shash="NmvQAXCYJJSM5DUoSmybByNhs9IThtRakGarxUhE9ofpC/UGs4URJwTAtGbKKLRMmQrjuN5ELDzBz7fN4Uu4F3X4rmQqaX6Dh5tFbbrTNrc5TFdLlutB9+lZdWqf+adeVcBXdABBORvnE7fpBmstl4rbcQCaYxQFsfyv9hLCjP0="><span style="color:#56B0C9; border:none windowtext 1.0pt; padding:0in">https://doi.org/10.5860/crln.83.8.363</span></a></span></p>
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</span><span style="font-size:12.0pt; font-family:inherit; color:black">At least the article cites a couple of articles that advocate a different view.</span></p>
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