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<p class="MsoNormal">Steve, Math can be accessible in Word. How do you make math accessible in PDF?<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b>From:</b> athen-list <athen-list-bounces@mailman12.u.washington.edu>
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Steve Green<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Friday, September 9, 2022 3:36 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> Access Technology Higher Education Network <athen-list@u.washington.edu><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Athen] article advocating for PDFs in College & Research Libraries News<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-GB">I don’t agree with Susan’s assessment, other than the article is too short to consider all the aspects of what is a large topic. However, I didn’t see anything that I would consider to be incorrect.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-GB">I also think that Susan has set up a false dichotomy between the ease of creating a small, simple accessible Word document and remediating a PDF that was exported from an inaccessible source file. When exporting from
Word, the resulting PDF will be at least as accessible as the Word file and in some ways it will be more accessible. It won’t be less accessible.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-GB">Bear in mind that you never create a document as a PDF. It always starts as some other document format, such as Word, PowerPoint, InDesign etc. If you know how to make the source document accessible and you are happy
with that level of accessibility, the resulting PDF will not need any remediation in Acrobat.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-GB">If you want to, you can do further remediation in Acrobat such that the PDF achieves a higher level of accessibility than is possible in the source document format. Even if you have done everything possible in Word, you
may be able to make the document even more accessible as a PDF, depending on what the content is.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-GB">Steve Green<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b>From:</b> athen-list <athen-list-bounces@mailman12.u.washington.edu>
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Susan Kelmer<br>
<b>Sent:</b> 09 September 2022 20:36<br>
<b>To:</b> Access Technology Higher Education Network <athen-list@u.washington.edu><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Athen] article advocating for PDFs in College & Research Libraries News<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D">Well, there is some glaring misinformation in there, and definitely too short a piece to be truly useful.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D">Remediating a PDF is difficult and time-consuming, while creating a good quality accessible WORD document is easy and only takes a few steps. That good quality Word file, which only took a few minutes to create
properly, can then be output to multiple formats, including tagged PDF and HTML.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D">I am not sure the author really understands what he is talking about.
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b>From:</b> athen-list <<a href="mailto:athen-list-bounces@mailman12.u.washington.edu">athen-list-bounces@mailman12.u.washington.edu</a>>
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Adina Mulliken<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Friday, September 9, 2022 12:35 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> <a href="mailto:athen-list@u.washington.edu">athen-list@u.washington.edu</a><br>
<b>Subject:</b> [Athen] article advocating for PDFs in College & Research Libraries News<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white;vertical-align:baseline"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:inherit;color:black">Sorry, this article might not be the best thing to share on a Friday afternoon, but here it is. I’m not agreeing with the
article. <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white;vertical-align:baseline"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:inherit;color:black">Chee, M., & Weaver, K. (2022). The great PDF debate: Accessible or impossible?. <em><span style="font-family:inherit;border:none windowtext 1.0pt;padding:0in">College
& Research Libraries News, 83</span></em>(8), 363. doi:<a href="https://doi.org/10.5860/crln.83.8.363"><span style="color:#56B0C9;border:none windowtext 1.0pt;padding:0in">https://doi.org/10.5860/crln.83.8.363</span></a><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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</span><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:inherit;color:black">At least the article cites a couple of articles that advocate a different view.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12.0pt">Adina<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Adina Mulliken<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">Associate Professor, Librarian Silberman Social Work and Urban Public Health Library<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">Hunter College, City University of New York<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">2180 3<sup>rd</sup> Ave. New York, NY<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">Phone 212-396-7665<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Pronouns she/her<o:p></o:p></p>
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