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<p class="MsoNormal">Hi Robert,<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">I was going to try reading PDFs in Books on macOS, as a student told me he is having great success reading them in Books in iOS.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">I’ll give it a try and report back to the list if I have success.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Thanks,<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b>From:</b> athen-list <athen-list-bounces@mailman12.u.washington.edu>
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Robert Beach<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, September 27, 2022 12:14 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> Access Technology Higher Education Network <athen-list@u.washington.edu><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Athen] [EXT]Re: VoiceOver expert and PDF journal article<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Okay, I was just told by one of my Mac students that Apple has broken VO access in Books. I’m not sure if this is just on the iPads or is also the case on the Mac computers.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-family:Roboto">Robert Lee Beach<o:p></o:p></span></b></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><i><span style="font-family:Roboto">Assistive Technology Specialist</span></i><span style="font-family:Roboto"> – Student Accessibility & Support Services<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-family:Roboto">Kansas City Kansas Community College<o:p></o:p></span></b></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b>From:</b> athen-list <<a href="mailto:athen-list-bounces@mailman12.u.washington.edu">athen-list-bounces@mailman12.u.washington.edu</a>>
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Robert Beach<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, September 27, 2022 12:21 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> Access Technology Higher Education Network <<a href="mailto:athen-list@u.washington.edu">athen-list@u.washington.edu</a>><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Athen] [EXT]Re: VoiceOver expert and PDF journal article<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Have you tried opening the PDF in Apple Books? I haven’t tried it myself but I have been told that Books handles PDF files pretty well, at least they used to.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-family:Roboto">Robert Lee Beach<o:p></o:p></span></b></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><i><span style="font-family:Roboto">Assistive Technology Specialist</span></i><span style="font-family:Roboto"> – Student Accessibility & Support Services<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-family:Roboto">Kansas City Kansas Community College<o:p></o:p></span></b></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:Roboto">7250 State Ave. - Suite # 3384 - Kansas City, KS 66112
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:Roboto">O 913-288-7671 | F 913-288-7678
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:Roboto"><a href="mailto:rbeach@kckcc.edu">rbeach@kckcc.edu</a><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<b>On Behalf Of </b>Russell Solowoniuk<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Monday, September 26, 2022 4:47 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> Access Technology Higher Education Network <<a href="mailto:athen-list@u.washington.edu">athen-list@u.washington.edu</a>><br>
<b>Subject:</b> [EXT]Re: [Athen] VoiceOver expert and PDF journal article<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Hi Mark,<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">It’s been my experience with VoiceOver, on macOS, that PDFs do not read well at all. By default PDFs open in Preview, the Mac’s Adobe Reader equivalent. You can use Adobe Reader for Mac, but I don’t think the experience is much better.
I’ve never been able to navigate in a PDF on the Mac by headings, or even been able to read a PDF smoothly. I’d have to try navigate a table in a PDF on the Mac to see if it works well, but I have a suspicion that it won’t.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">I don’t consider myself a VoiceOver expert, so perhaps someone with more experience using PDFs on the Mac can comment further.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Thanks,<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Russell<o:p></o:p></p>
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<b>On Behalf Of </b>Mark Weiler<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Monday, September 26, 2022 11:56 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> Access Technology Higher Education Network <<a href="mailto:athen-list@u.washington.edu">athen-list@u.washington.edu</a>><br>
<b>Subject:</b> [Athen] VoiceOver expert and PDF journal article<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-CA">Is there a VoiceOver expert that could meet via Zoom and share your screen and sound as you step through an example of a PDF-based journal article with me?
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-CA">Checking out things like headings, tables, lists, and reading order.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-CA">Mark Weiler, PhD (he & him)<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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