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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif">It’s been a bit (over a year) since I last tested the output quality of Ally, but I was generally impressed enough to put it among the better of the automated systems. It’s
certainly not perfect and should be provided with a caution. However, it was good enough that I sometimes used Ally as a step in my manual remediation process.
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As I mentioned in another response to this thread, the audio conversion does not always remove running headers and footers. If I was providing an audio file as an accommodation, that would be intolerable of course. On the other hand, an imperfect recording
may be better than having to wait for near perfect version. One of the big issues in remediation has always been the impact of delays on the student’s learning experience due to waiting for materials. It’s a tradeoff game. I think it helps, from a practical
viewpoint, to treat medium quality automation like Ally as a placeholder for quality content.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif">Katherine “Kate” Deibel, PhD<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b>From:</b> athen-list <athen-list-bounces@mailman12.u.washington.edu>
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Ann Newland<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Friday, December 2, 2022 1:38 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> Access Technology Higher Education Network <athen-list@u.washington.edu><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Athen] [EXT] How providing course materials in multiple formats may impact the extraneous cognitive load of redundancy<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">I'm a little suspicious of Blackboard Ally. They use an automated process to make documents "accessible." Robert, have you done a manual evaluation of the "accessible" files created by Ally or had experienced users test them? How accessible
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<p class="MsoNormal">Blackboard seems to be stretching the UDL principle "multiple means of representation' to also include multiple file formats. Yes, multiple file formats may be helpful to students, but the UDL principle goes further than simply multiple
formats. Robert, your mention of Ally's creation of an "<span class="gmail-apple-converted-space"> </span>audio file using synthetic speech so they can listen to the content rather than read it visually" is more closely aligned to the UDL principle "multiple
means of representation" and the UDL guideline 1 "Perception - Interact with flexible content that doesn't depend on a single sense like sight, hearing, movement, or touch." <o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Best regards,<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Ann<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">CAST (2018). Universal Design for Learning Guidelines version 2.2. Retrieved from
<a href="http://udlguidelines.cast.org/representation">http://udlguidelines.cast.org/representation</a><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">On Fri, Dec 2, 2022 at 1:19 PM Robert Beach <<a href="mailto:rbeach@kckcc.edu">rbeach@kckcc.edu</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">Interesting question. From my experience, students without disabilities have just assumed they are being given options they can choose to best fit their technology needs. It falls
into the universal design for learning and universal design for instruction models.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">On our campus we are using Ally for Blackboard. This gives students the option to have a file that an instructor posts in one format converted to a different format. For example,
if the instructor is posting PDF files, the student can instead have the file converted and downloaded as an HTML file which may work better for the technology they have available to them. They could also have the file downloaded as an audio file using synthetic
speech so they can listen to the content rather than read it visually. There is really nothing to indicate that this is a disability thing in Blackboard.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">Last spring we had more than two thousand files converted and downloaded as either PDF or EPUB files by more than 1,400 students. We do not have nearly that many students registered
for accommodations at our school.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">I’m not sure any of this helps, but that’s about the best I can tell you. Students seem to like the ability to convert and download the format they like.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><b><span style="font-family:Roboto">Kansas City Kansas Community College</span></b><o:p></o:p></p>
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<b>On Behalf Of </b>David McGeehan<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Friday, December 2, 2022 11:50 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> Access Technology Higher Education Network <<a href="mailto:athen-list@u.washington.edu" target="_blank">athen-list@u.washington.edu</a>><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Athen] [EXT] How providing course materials in multiple formats may impact the extraneous cognitive load of redundancy<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">Thank you Robert for your response.
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">To clarify my question, when addressing accessibility issues and learning modality preferences, one approach is to provide the same material in multiple formats. In so doing, are
other issues/problems introduced, i.e., redundancy cognitive overload, students unsure of what material type to choose, confusion about why multiple formats are presented, etc.
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">I’m speculating that students not living with a disability may not be aware of the accommodations provided to students with disabilities, so redundant material formats may confuse
them. <o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">(BTW, this question is not about extraneous cognitive load split attention, though insights into that would be welcome).
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<b>On Behalf Of </b>Robert Beach<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Friday, December 2, 2022 12:32 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> Access Technology Higher Education Network <<a href="mailto:athen-list@u.washington.edu" target="_blank">athen-list@u.washington.edu</a>><br>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">I’m not sure I understand your question. When you say multiple formats, are you referring to providing a Word, PDF, HTML, audio, and EPUB format of the same material? Do you mean
using multiple stimuli such as having the words highlighted while they are spoken so that there is the stimuli of motion, color, and sound to help with retention and comprehension?<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">Thanks.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">Does anyone have information / insights regarding providing course materials in multiple formats and how that may impact the extraneous cognitive load of redundancy?
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">Thank you,<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="font-size:12.0pt">Dr. David Adam McGeehan</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="font-size:12.0pt">Division of Educational Technology<br>
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