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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Cambria",serif;color:#1F3864">I’d add that Read&Write has language packs that can be downloaded, however, the person has to recognize the change in language, stop using language 1, go into settings,
choose language 2, read the text in language 2, go back into settings, change the language back to language 1 and continue reading. Since Read&Write only works in its own PDF reader, this puts the responsibility for recognizing the different language on the
person reading the content.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Cambria",serif;color:#1F3864"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Cambria",serif;color:#1F3864">I think NVDA has languages that can be downloaded and am not sure if they are switched automatically when reading PDFs. JAWS does the automatic switching IF the correct
language is applied to the changes in language/Tags in the PDF.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Cambria",serif;color:#1F3864"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Cambria",serif;color:#1F3864">The PDF reader in Foxit PDF Editor does not allow JAWS to make the switch…the deficiency in the PDF reader. Even though the PDF is tagged correctly, if I’m using the
PDF reader in Foxit, I have to switch to Acrobat to test the language changes. It is the same for the PDF reader in Kofax PowerPDF Advanced. I have to test most things in Acrobat.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Cambria",serif;color:#1F3864"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Cambria",serif;color:#1F3864">I don’t even want to talk about reading a PDF in a browser which we don’t seem to have any choice in anymore.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Cambria",serif;color:#1F3864"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Cambria",serif;color:#1F3864">Cheers, Karen<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b>From:</b> athen-list <athen-list-bounces@mailman12.u.washington.edu>
<b>On Behalf Of </b>chagnon@pubcom.com<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, February 22, 2023 7:01 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> 'Access Technology Higher Education Network' <athen-list@u.washington.edu><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Athen] Advice on German foreign language learning for blind student<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Begin quote: “PDF (which we know does not support language switching)”<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">The PDF/UA-1 standard does indeed support multiple languages and “switching” through the global language setting in metadata (File / Properties), and the local language attribute on selected tagged content.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">It’s the assistive technologies that fail to correctly process the languages. Or the content creators who fail to tag their content with the language attribute.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">Don’t blame the file format for this shortcoming.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b>From:</b> athen-list <<a href="mailto:athen-list-bounces@mailman12.u.washington.edu">athen-list-bounces@mailman12.u.washington.edu</a>>
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Stager, Catherine<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, February 22, 2023 12:39 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> Access Technology Higher Education Network <<a href="mailto:athen-list@u.washington.edu">athen-list@u.washington.edu</a>><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Athen] Advice on German foreign language learning for blind student<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">I just worked with Pearson to get a student access to their German textbook in ePub via VitalSource (Thanks, Doug Hacker). Hopefully, it is fully marked up properly, but be forewarned that Pearson’s default for language textbooks through
AccessText is PDF (which we know does not support language switching). <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">As far as OCR, I always found Abbyy Finereader got better results for languages.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">Best regards,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">Cath<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">Catherine M. Stager<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">Assistive Technology Specialist<o:p></o:p></span></b></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">Disability Support Services - Assistive Technology<o:p></o:p></span></b></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b>From:</b> athen-list <<a href="mailto:athen-list-bounces@mailman12.u.washington.edu">athen-list-bounces@mailman12.u.washington.edu</a>>
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Mosley, Leigh<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, February 22, 2023 6:49 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> Access Technology Higher Education Network <<a href="mailto:athen-list@u.washington.edu">athen-list@u.washington.edu</a>><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Athen] Advice on German foreign language learning for blind student<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Hi Adina,<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">What a great question! In my experience, I found that VoiceOver seems to recognize most languages and pronounce them correctly right out of the box. NVDA and JAWS require you to first download a specific voice for that language and to
make sure your speech synthesizer is set to Windows OneCore for NVDA or Vocalizer Expressive for JAWS. But then they all work well, as long as the page is coded with the correct <lang> tag.
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<p class="MsoNormal">Unfortunately, I have yet to find an online resource with multiple languages on the same page that correctly uses <p lang= or <span lang= tags to show the screen reader when to switch back and forth. It’s extremely frustrating because
it basically renders all online foreign-language teaching resources useless with a screen reader. Occasionally VoiceOver figures it out on its own, but not at all reliably.
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<p class="MsoNormal">Also, I’m guessing that once you get into more obscure languages (my only relevant experience here being with ancient Greek), just because something is coded correctly, that still doesn’t mean a screen reader can cope with it (i.e. there
are no ancient Greek voices to download for NVDA/JAWS and even VoiceOver throws up its tiny hands in dismay).
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<p class="MsoNormal">Please keep us posted, as this is an area of great interest to me.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Leigh<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">Leigh Mosley<o:p></o:p></span></b></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b>From:</b> athen-list <<a href="mailto:athen-list-bounces@mailman12.u.washington.edu">athen-list-bounces@mailman12.u.washington.edu</a>>
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Adina Mulliken<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, February 21, 2023 5:55 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> <a href="mailto:athen-list@u.washington.edu">athen-list@u.washington.edu</a><br>
<b>Subject:</b> [Athen] Advice on German foreign language learning for blind student<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Hi everyone,<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">I’m interested in finding out about materials and strategies for a blind student who may want to learn German. My understanding is the student uses a screen reader but we don’t know which one yet. We don’t know if they read Braille.
We don’t know what course materials the professor uses yet, but we’re trying to begin learning about what might be involved with obtaining and converting appropriate materials.
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<p class="MsoNormal">I understand that popular screen readers can read German. I’ve looked through athen listserv’s archives and found a few relevant posts, although I probably could have searched further. I looked on Bookshare and found 74 results came
up under foreign language learning materials in German and available in the United States.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Does anyone have additional advice? <o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Calibri Light",sans-serif">Here are the links I found on this listserv in case anyone wants to know<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<span style="font-family:"Calibri Light",sans-serif"><a href="https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fmailman12.u.washington.edu%2Fmailman%2Fhtdig%2Fathen-list%2F2019-July%2F015325.html&data=05%7C01%7C%7Cd9aa4e9fb0394eaed2a508db15315cb8%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C638127074013023356%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000%7C%7C%7C&sdata=j83e3bBdbgKn%2Fd5WN6Tl3LmiFI9XYpSBDMZuXPgCbsQ%3D&reserved=0" title="http://mailman12.u.washington.edu/mailman/htdig/athen-list/2019-July/015325.html">http://mailman12.u.washington.edu/mailman/htdig/athen-list/2019-July/015325.html</a><o:p></o:p></span></li></ul>
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<span style="font-family:"Calibri Light",sans-serif;color:black">“<span style="background:white">German contracted Braille for example is just as complex as our grade 2, and though I speak German I read the contractions with great difficulty. This is because
I only learned it for a year when I was nineteen so I’m terrible at it.</span><br>
<span style="background:white">But reading German by setting my display to use the computer Braille table is easy for me because it is just the alphabet and the special accented letters.”</span><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Thank you!<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">Adina<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Associate Professor, Librarian Silberman Social Work and Urban Public Health Library<o:p></o:p></p>
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