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<p class="MsoNormal">Hi Deborah,<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Wow, what a great resource. I’m filing this away for future use.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Thanks for sharing,<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Russell<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b>From:</b> athen-list <athen-list-bounces@mailman12.u.washington.edu>
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Deborah Armstrong<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, March 8, 2023 10:19 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> 'Access Technology Higher Education Network' <athen-list@u.washington.edu><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Athen] Advice on German foreign language learning for blind student<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="color:#D24518">EXTERNAL:</span></b><span style="color:black"> <a href="https://myportal.macewan.ca/help.html#external-email">Use caution.</a><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">I’m attaching a document I wrote on learing foreign languages with a screen reader.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b>From:</b> athen-list <<a href="mailto:athen-list-bounces@mailman12.u.washington.edu">athen-list-bounces@mailman12.u.washington.edu</a>>
<b>On Behalf Of </b>PATRICK BURKE<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, February 21, 2023 9:56 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> Access Technology Higher Education Network <<a href="mailto:athen-list@u.washington.edu">athen-list@u.washington.edu</a>><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Athen] Advice on German foreign language learning for blind student<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Hello Adina!,<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">I'm blind and was a German major (up to Masters level), altho in the late 80s/early 90s, so I have some knowledge (perhaps not the correct knowledge?!) for you. I switched to a university adaptive tech job after that, so I was on the provider
side for Russian, Latin, & a few other language courses. If you or the student want to follow up with me further, please do.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Overall, my experience matches Deborah Armstrong's (except that I didn't do extensive testing of Kurzweil etc. Not recently, anyway...). The main problem of language switching in learning materials is THE WORST! Marking an intro textbook
to speak correctly at the phrase or word level (in HTML or Word) is incredibly time consuming. And, for German it can be important for learning pronunciation, since English screenreading software usually reads umlaut characters the same as unmarked letters,
which can be *bad* for learning singular/plurals, verb forms, etc.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">As Deborah says, dealing with multilingual material in Braille is much easier. At least that's also what I found. I had a small (4 volume) braille dictionary, and I started early with learning the German contractions, which was a timesaver
when I took notes (with Perkins brailler). I.e., lots of early practice. Then I was (more) ready to deal with published German Braille materials, when I could get them.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">So, yes, the unknowns you mention are important to find out quickly.: Which screenreader does the student use? Do they read Braille? etc. That will shape the type of service you need to provide.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Good luck, and plese get in touch if I can help more,<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Patrick<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">On Tue, Feb 21, 2023 at 2:56 PM Adina Mulliken <<a href="mailto:am2621@hunter.cuny.edu">am2621@hunter.cuny.edu</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">Hi everyone,<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">I’m interested in finding out about materials and strategies for a blind student who may want to learn German. My understanding is the student uses a screen reader but we don’t
know which one yet. We don’t know if they read Braille. We don’t know what course materials the professor uses yet, but we’re trying to begin learning about what might be involved with obtaining and converting appropriate materials.
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">I understand that popular screen readers can read German. I’ve looked through athen listserv’s archives and found a few relevant posts, although I probably could have searched
further. I looked on Bookshare and found 74 results came up under foreign language learning materials in German and available in the United States.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">Does anyone have additional advice?
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="font-family:"Calibri Light",sans-serif">Here are the links I found on this listserv in case anyone wants to know</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<span style="font-family:"Calibri Light",sans-serif"><a href="https://urldefense.com/v3/__http:/mailman12.u.washington.edu/mailman/htdig/athen-list/2019-July/015345.html__;!!A-B3JKCz!AMDJYpmtkSrtrdbhQrkeogIrv3S1cr1YL1Fr8mJVTJ50YLJXX35IKkVhl_U91_sdbYbBcGCVMo6q6XiY1-xIhA$" target="_blank" title="http://mailman12.u.washington.edu/mailman/htdig/athen-list/2019-July/015345.html"><span style="color:#0563C1">http://mailman12.u.washington.edu/mailman/htdig/athen-list/2019-July/015345.html</span></a></span><o:p></o:p></li><li class="m-19898446879542804msolistparagraph" style="color:black;mso-list:l2 level1 lfo3">
<span style="font-family:"Calibri Light",sans-serif"><a href="https://urldefense.com/v3/__http:/mailman12.u.washington.edu/mailman/htdig/athen-list/2019-July/015325.html__;!!A-B3JKCz!AMDJYpmtkSrtrdbhQrkeogIrv3S1cr1YL1Fr8mJVTJ50YLJXX35IKkVhl_U91_sdbYbBcGCVMo6q6XhpUugeTw$" target="_blank" title="http://mailman12.u.washington.edu/mailman/htdig/athen-list/2019-July/015325.html"><span style="color:#0563C1">http://mailman12.u.washington.edu/mailman/htdig/athen-list/2019-July/015325.html</span></a></span><o:p></o:p></li></ul>
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<span style="font-family:"Calibri Light",sans-serif;color:black">“<span style="background:white">German contracted Braille for example is just as complex as our grade 2, and though I speak German I read the contractions with great difficulty. This is because
I only learned it for a year when I was nineteen so I’m terrible at it.</span><br>
<span style="background:white">But reading German by setting my display to use the computer Braille table is easy for me because it is just the alphabet and the special accented letters.”</span></span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<span style="font-family:"Calibri Light",sans-serif"> <a href="https://urldefense.com/v3/__http:/mailman12.u.washington.edu/mailman/htdig/athen-list/2019-November/015820.html__;!!A-B3JKCz!AMDJYpmtkSrtrdbhQrkeogIrv3S1cr1YL1Fr8mJVTJ50YLJXX35IKkVhl_U91_sdbYbBcGCVMo6q6XjtVmGZoQ$" target="_blank" title="http://mailman12.u.washington.edu/mailman/htdig/athen-list/2019-November/015820.html"><span style="color:#0563C1">http://mailman12.u.washington.edu/mailman/htdig/athen-list/2019-November/015820.html</span></a></span><o:p></o:p></li></ul>
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