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<p class="MsoNormal">Hi George, Joshua, Louis (and any other replies I missed),<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Thank you so much for this detail! <o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">I was aware that NVDA/MathCAT is the optimal solution for reading MathJax, but I must say I was unaware JAWS may read the math inaccurately or incompletely. The student is rather attached to JAWS, but I will share this limitation and recommend
NVDA for math courses. I can’t in good conscience recommend JAWS if the math will not read properly. The equations in the course I am helping with are rather complex and I need all the notation to be announced.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Mary<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:11.0pt">From:</span></b><span style="font-size:11.0pt"> athen-list <athen-list-bounces@mailman12.u.washington.edu>
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Joshua Hori<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Thursday, March 30, 2023 2:56 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> Access Technology Higher Education Network <athen-list@u.washington.edu><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Athen] Reading MathJax with JAWS<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">User guide for MathCAT + NVDA:
</span><a href="https://nsoiffer.github.io/MathCAT/users.html"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">https://nsoiffer.github.io/MathCAT/users.html</span></a><span style="font-size:11.0pt"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">I prefer Chrome over Firefox, but either works. If I recall correctly, there’s a slight difference in how the equation is read. We used it for testing libretext math textbooks.
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;color:black">~ Joshua </span><span style="font-size:11.0pt"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt"><b><span style="color:black">From:
</span></b><span style="color:black">athen-list <</span><a href="mailto:athen-list-bounces@mailman12.u.washington.edu">athen-list-bounces@mailman12.u.washington.edu</a><span style="color:black">> on behalf of
</span><a href="mailto:kerscher@montana.com">kerscher@montana.com</a><span style="color:black"> <</span><a href="mailto:kerscher@montana.com">kerscher@montana.com</a><span style="color:black">><br>
<b>Date: </b>Thursday, March 30, 2023 at 11:25 AM<br>
<b>To: </b>'Access Technology Higher Education Network' <</span><a href="mailto:athen-list@u.washington.edu">athen-list@u.washington.edu</a><span style="color:black">><br>
<b>Subject: </b>Re: [Athen] Reading MathJax with JAWS<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">Hello,</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">I am assuming the mathematics is in MathML, which is great. MathJax is used by many websites for presentation of the math. The MathJax menu for a screen reader user is not useful, from my experience.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">At CSUN, the presentation, “What grade did your screen reader get in arithmetic” demonstrated most of the screen readers exploring MathML. The best was NVDA with the MathCAT add-in. Jaws had serious issues,
and the folks at Jaws know about it. It seems they will be moving to MathCAT as well, but we do not know when.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">So for now, Just use Jaws in the math reading mode. If there is an expression such as the square root of 4+5 Jaws will not indicate if the 5 is under the root. The student will have trouble with these kinds
of things.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">Best</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">George</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:11.0pt">From:</span></b><span style="font-size:11.0pt"> athen-list <</span><a href="mailto:athen-list-bounces@mailman12.u.washington.edu"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">athen-list-bounces@mailman12.u.washington.edu</span></a><span style="font-size:11.0pt">>
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Mary J Ziegler<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Thursday, March 30, 2023 9:50 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> Access Network <</span><a href="mailto:athen-list@u.washington.edu"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">athen-list@u.washington.edu</span></a><span style="font-size:11.0pt">><br>
<b>Subject:</b> [Athen] Reading MathJax with JAWS</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">Dear Colleagues,</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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I’m trying to locate a user guide for JAWS users to understand how to best navigate and read math equations presented on a webpage with MathJax.
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;color:black"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;color:black">I have found a lot of detail on how to author math in MathJax – but am trying to help a student read the equations already authored and presented in MathJax.<br>
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JAWS has the MathViewer that does a good job of reading math, but my questions are<br>
* what is the best way to configure/change any MathJax settings to render the math to play as happily as possible with JAWS?<br>
* What browser reads the math best?<br>
* Other suggestions?</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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Thanks!<br>
Mary</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;color:black">Mary J. Ziegler (she/her)</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;color:black">Program Manager for Online Learning Accessibility</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;color:black">Online Worldwide Learning Services (OWLS)
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;color:black">Email: </span><a href="mailto:maryz@mit.edu"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">maryz@mit.edu</span></a><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;color:black">Phone: 617-258-9328</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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