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Publication:</span></b><span style='font-size:14.0pt;font-family:Roboto'> </span><a href="https://mvsltd.com/"><span style='font-size:14.0pt;font-family:Roboto;color:blue'>https://mvsltd.com</span></a><span style='font-size:14.0pt;font-family:Roboto'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:14.0pt;font-family:Roboto'><br><b>CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE:</b> This e-mail and attachments, if any, may contain confidential information, which is privileged and protected from disclosure by Federal and State confidentiality laws, rules, and regulations. This e-mail and attachments, if any, are intended for the designated addressee only. If you are not the designated addressee, you are hereby notified that any disclosure, copying, or distribution of this e-mail and its attachments, if any, may be unlawful and may subject you to legal consequences. If you have received this e-mail and attachments in error, please delete the e-mail and its attachments from your computer.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:14.0pt;font-family:Roboto'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #E1E1E1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in'><p class=MsoNormal><b>From:</b> chagnon@pubcom.com <chagnon@pubcom.com> <br><b>Sent:</b> Thursday, May 18, 2023 2:09 AM<br><b>To:</b> 'Access Technology Higher Education Network' <athen-list@u.washington.edu><br><b>Cc:</b> enews@toptechtidbits.com<br><b>Subject:</b> RE: [Athen] [EXT]Re: PDF remediation help<o:p></o:p></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>Hi Aaron,<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>I don’t know why the article is being posted as news. It’s grossly out of date and is from the Microsoft news network portal. <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:14.0pt;font-family:Roboto'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:14.0pt;font-family:Roboto'>Adobe's New AI Automates PDF Accessibility Tags<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:14.0pt;font-family:Roboto'><a href="https://www.msn.com/en-us/money/other/adobe-s-new-ai-automates-pdf-accessibility-tags/ar-AA1biX4V">https://www.msn.com/en-us/money/other/adobe-s-new-ai-automates-pdf-accessibility-tags/ar-AA1biX4V</a><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><ul style='margin-top:0in' type=disc><li class=MsoListParagraph style='margin-left:0in;mso-list:l3 level1 lfo3'>The photo captions reference software releases in 2013, “Adobe announced Monday, May 6, 20<b><u>13</u></b>…” and the rest is pure nonsense.<o:p></o:p></li><li class=MsoListParagraph style='margin-left:0in;mso-list:l3 level1 lfo3'>The AutoTag feature has been in Acrobat Pro for quite a few years. It’s had marginal improvement every year, but overall still sucks at correctly tagging a document, separating text from graphics, and creating a logical reading order. We teach our clients and students how to use it only when there’s no better way to remediate a bad PDF.<o:p></o:p></li></ul><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.25in'><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>We’re beta testers for Adobe and I don’t see anything substantial on the horizon for Acrobat anytime soon, other than an overhaul of the user interface (which is getting bad reviews). We still have hope for the future, however.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>I’m chalking up this news release as stale and inaccurate.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='color:#D0CECE'>— — —<o:p></o:p></span></b></p><p class=MsoNormal>Bevi Chagnon <b><span style='color:#AEAAAA'>| </span></b><span style='color:#595959'>Designer, Accessibility Technician</span><b><span style='color:#AEAAAA'> |</span></b> <a href="mailto:Chagnon@PubCom.com">Chagnon@PubCom.com</a> <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='color:#D0CECE'>— — —<o:p></o:p></span></b></p><p class=MsoNormal><b>PubCom: <span style='color:#C00000'>Technologists for Accessible Design + Publishing</span><o:p></o:p></b></p><p class=MsoNormal>consulting <span style='color:#D0CECE'>•</span> training <span style='color:#D0CECE'>•</span> development <span style='color:#D0CECE'>•</span> design <span style='color:#D0CECE'>•</span> sec. 508 services<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><b>Upcoming classes</b> at <a href="http://www.pubcom.com/classes">www.PubCom.com/<b>classes</b></a> <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='color:#D0CECE'>— — —<o:p></o:p></span></b></p><p class=MsoNormal><a href="https://mailchi.mp/e694edcdfadd/class-discount-3266574">Latest blog-newsletter</a> – <b><a href="https://www.pubcom.com/blog/2020_07-20/alt-text_part-1.shtml">Simple Guide to Writing Alt-Text</a></b> <o:p></o:p></p></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #E1E1E1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in'><p class=MsoNormal><b>From:</b> athen-list <<a href="mailto:athen-list-bounces@mailman12.u.washington.edu">athen-list-bounces@mailman12.u.washington.edu</a>> <b>On Behalf Of </b>Top Tech Tidbits<br><b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, May 17, 2023 5:52 PM<br><b>To:</b> 'Access Technology Higher Education Network' <<a href="mailto:athen-list@u.washington.edu">athen-list@u.washington.edu</a>><br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [Athen] [EXT]Re: PDF remediation help<o:p></o:p></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:14.0pt;font-family:Roboto'>Per recent discussions, this article was just released 8 hours ago. I think we should expect a number of updates from Adobe regarding PDF accessibility, remediation and AI in the coming months.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:14.0pt;font-family:Roboto'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:14.0pt;font-family:Roboto'>Adobe's New AI Automates PDF Accessibility Tags<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:14.0pt;font-family:Roboto'><a href="https://www.msn.com/en-us/money/other/adobe-s-new-ai-automates-pdf-accessibility-tags/ar-AA1biX4V">https://www.msn.com/en-us/money/other/adobe-s-new-ai-automates-pdf-accessibility-tags/ar-AA1biX4V</a><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:14.0pt;font-family:Roboto'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div><p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:14.0pt;font-family:Roboto'>Aaron Di Blasi, PMP<o:p></o:p></span></b></p><p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:14.0pt;font-family:Roboto'><o:p> </o:p></span></b></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:14.0pt;font-family:Roboto'>Publisher (2020-Present)<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:14.0pt;font-family:Roboto'>Top Tech Tidbits<o:p></o:p></span></b></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:14.0pt;font-family:Roboto'>The Week's News in Adaptive Technology<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><a href="https://toptechtidbits.com/"><span style='font-size:14.0pt;font-family:Roboto;color:blue'>https://toptechtidbits.com</span></a><span style='font-size:14.0pt;font-family:Roboto'> </span><span style='font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Segoe UI Emoji",sans-serif'>🌐</span><span style='font-size:14.0pt;font-family:Roboto'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:14.0pt;font-family:Roboto'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:14.0pt;font-family:Roboto'>Publisher (2022-Present)<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:14.0pt;font-family:Roboto'>Access Information News <o:p></o:p></span></b></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:14.0pt;font-family:Roboto'>The Week's News in Access Information<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><a href="https://accessinformationnews.com/"><span style='font-size:14.0pt;font-family:Roboto;color:blue'>https://accessinformationnews.com</span></a><span style='font-size:14.0pt;font-family:Roboto'> </span><span style='font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Segoe UI Emoji",sans-serif'>🌐</span><span style='font-size:14.0pt;font-family:Roboto'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:14.0pt;font-family:Roboto'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:14.0pt;font-family:Roboto'>Sr. Project Management Professional (2006-Present)<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:14.0pt;font-family:Roboto'>Mind Vault Solutions, Ltd. <o:p></o:p></span></b></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:14.0pt;font-family:Roboto'>Innovative ideas. 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If you have received this e-mail and attachments in error, please delete the e-mail and its attachments from your computer.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:14.0pt;font-family:Roboto'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #E1E1E1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in'><p class=MsoNormal><b>From:</b> athen-list <<a href="mailto:athen-list-bounces@mailman12.u.washington.edu">athen-list-bounces@mailman12.u.washington.edu</a>> <b>On Behalf Of </b>Robert Beach<br><b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, May 17, 2023 10:25 AM<br><b>To:</b> Access Technology Higher Education Network <<a href="mailto:athen-list@u.washington.edu">athen-list@u.washington.edu</a>><br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [Athen] [EXT]Re: PDF remediation help<o:p></o:p></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>I couldn’t agree more with Susan and Karen. Creating the document correctly from the beginning is best. If you need it in a different format, you can convert and keep the accessibility features. Yes, there are sometimes glitches, but I have rarely had any issues. PDF is not the best format to start with, even if you can include all of the accessibility features. It is too difficult to convert from.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-family:Roboto'>Robert Lee Beach<o:p></o:p></span></b></p><p class=MsoNormal><i><span style='font-family:Roboto'>Assistive Technology Specialist</span></i><span style='font-family:Roboto'> – Student Accessibility & Support Services<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:Roboto'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-family:Roboto'>Kansas City Kansas Community College<o:p></o:p></span></b></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:Roboto'>7250 State Ave. - Suite # 3384 - Kansas City, KS 66112 <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:Roboto'>O 913-288-7671 | F 913-288-7678 <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:Roboto'><a href="mailto:rbeach@kckcc.edu">rbeach@kckcc.edu</a><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Roboto'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #E1E1E1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in'><p class=MsoNormal><b>From:</b> athen-list <<a href="mailto:athen-list-bounces@mailman12.u.washington.edu">athen-list-bounces@mailman12.u.washington.edu</a>> <b>On Behalf Of </b>Karen McCall<br><b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, May 17, 2023 9:14 AM<br><b>To:</b> Access Technology Higher Education Network <<a href="mailto:athen-list@u.washington.edu">athen-list@u.washington.edu</a>><br><b>Subject:</b> [EXT]Re: [Athen] PDF remediation help<o:p></o:p></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div style='border:solid #0054A6 1.5pt;padding:4.0pt 0in 4.0pt 0in'><p class=MsoNormal align=center style='text-align:center;background:#F9E699'><strong><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#FD542E'>CAUTION:</span></strong><strong><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black'> This email originated outside KCKCC. Do not click links or open attachments unless you know the content is safe. Please forward all suspicious emails to <a href="mailto:support@kckcc.edu"><span style='font-weight:normal'>support@kckcc.edu</span></a>.</span></strong><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Cambria",serif;color:#1F3864'>I agree. And our tools have gotten worse since at least 2018. Odd tags are thrown into the mix, we sometimes see an <Artifact> tag when there is no such thing. Artifacts by their very nature are supposed to be in the background.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Cambria",serif;color:#1F3864'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Cambria",serif;color:#1F3864'>The <Span> or what I call the “Spam” tag is all over the place for no good reason.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Cambria",serif;color:#1F3864'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Cambria",serif;color:#1F3864'>I stopped remediating PDFs because the UI of Acrobat (still the better of the tools) is so stark that it causes visual fatigue. If you switch to a darker mode, not everything switches.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Cambria",serif;color:#1F3864'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Cambria",serif;color:#1F3864'>I also find that some of the tools will mangle an accessible source document when they didn’t do that previously.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Cambria",serif;color:#1F3864'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Cambria",serif;color:#1F3864'>I agree with Susan as well in that we need to teach people how to create accessible source documents.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Cambria",serif;color:#1F3864'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Cambria",serif;color:#1F3864'>Cheers, Karen<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Cambria",serif;color:#1F3864'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Cambria",serif;color:#1F3864'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Cambria",serif;color:#1F3864'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #E1E1E1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in'><p class=MsoNormal><b>From:</b> athen-list <<a href="mailto:athen-list-bounces@mailman12.u.washington.edu">athen-list-bounces@mailman12.u.washington.edu</a>> <b>On Behalf Of </b>Susan Kelmer<br><b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, May 17, 2023 10:02 AM<br><b>To:</b> Access Technology Higher Education Network <<a href="mailto:athen-list@u.washington.edu">athen-list@u.washington.edu</a>><br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [Athen] PDF remediation help<o:p></o:p></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>I will add one more comment to this stream…<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>Remediating PDFs is a useless, time-consuming, and frustrating endeavor, in my opinion. Even with great software tools, even with hard work and attention to detail, remediating PDFs is just a lost cause. You fix one thing, and it breaks another. You are in an endless loop of editing this tiny thing and that tiny thing and you eventually get something you can sort of trust, but it will never be completely accessible. <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>The only way to have a really great PDF is to create it right in the first place. I have not bothered to “fix” a PDF in years; if it needs massive remediation, it gets extracted to text using a good quality OCR program, and reformatted into a clean and accessible Word or HTML document.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>And I’ll say what Karen has been saying, only a bit more bluntly: If you are blind and trying to do this remediation, you cannot see what you cannot see. You don’t know what elements are being missed, what elements haven’t been done properly, etc. <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>And as a side note, this is my biggest complaint with Bookshare files. They are often loaded with errors, missing elements, etc. I, as a sighted person, can see what is missing and fix it, but the student with BVI has no idea there are missing parts or errors. <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>I continue to be confused by the push to “fix” PDFs that are poorly made. We need to not bother. Our time is better spent remediating into a format that works for more people.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif;color:black'>Susan Kelmer </span></b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif;color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif;color:black'>Alternate Format Production Program Manager<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif;color:black'>Disability Services<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif;color:black'>Health and Wellness Services<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif;color:#CFB87C'>T</span></b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif;color:#1F497D'> </span><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif;color:black'>303 735 4836</span><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif;color:#1F497D'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><b><u><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif;color:#CFB87C'><a href="http://www.colorado.edu/disabilityservices"><span style='color:#CFB87C'>www.colorado.edu/disabilityservices</span></a> <o:p></o:p></span></u></b></p><p class=MsoNormal><b><u><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#CFB87C'><o:p><span style='text-decoration:none'> </span></o:p></span></u></b></p><p class=MsoNormal><b><u><span style='font-size:10.0pt;color:#CFB87C'><o:p><span style='text-decoration:none'> </span></o:p></span></u></b></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica Neue";color:black'><img border=0 width=150 height=56 style='width:1.5625in;height:.5833in' id="Picture_x0020_7" src="cid:image002.png@01D989A7.CE508EF0"></span><span style='color:#0070C0'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><i><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif;color:#1F497D'>Due to the nature of electronic communication, the security of this message cannot be guaranteed. If you’ve received this email in error please notify the sender immediately and delete this message. </span></i><i><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif;color:#1F497D'><o:p></o:p></span></i></p><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #E1E1E1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in'><p class=MsoNormal><b>From:</b> athen-list <<a href="mailto:athen-list-bounces@mailman12.u.washington.edu">athen-list-bounces@mailman12.u.washington.edu</a>> <b>On Behalf Of </b>Karen McCall<br><b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, May 17, 2023 7:53 AM<br><b>To:</b> Access Technology Higher Education Network <<a href="mailto:athen-list@u.washington.edu">athen-list@u.washington.edu</a>><br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [Athen] PDF remediation help<o:p></o:p></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Cambria",serif;color:#1F3864'>The problem is the same. If you depend on a screen reader, you can’t tell if all of the content is tagged, if it is tagged correctly and if the tags are in the logical reading order.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Cambria",serif;color:#1F3864'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Cambria",serif;color:#1F3864'>With any automated tool, while the tool may have some level of accessibility, you can’t get around the fact that you need to see the tags and the physical document to know what you are looking at and whether or not the elements I mentioned above are in place.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Cambria",serif;color:#1F3864'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Cambria",serif;color:#1F3864'>Cheers, Karen<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Cambria",serif;color:#1F3864'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #E1E1E1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in'><p class=MsoNormal><b>From:</b> athen-list <<a href="mailto:athen-list-bounces@mailman12.u.washington.edu">athen-list-bounces@mailman12.u.washington.edu</a>> <b>On Behalf Of </b>Paul Ferrara<br><b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, May 17, 2023 8:31 AM<br><b>To:</b> Access Technology Higher Education Network <<a href="mailto:athen-list@u.washington.edu">athen-list@u.washington.edu</a>><br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [Athen] PDF remediation help<o:p></o:p></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>Have you tried using the Common Look PDF plug-in?<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:2.0pt'><b><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif'>Paul Ferrara, CPACC, ADS, Certified Braille Transcriber<o:p></o:p></span></b></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:2.0pt'><i><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif'>Communications Accessibility Editor, Dot6<o:p></o:p></span></i></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:2.0pt'><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif'>American Printing House<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:2.0pt'><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif'>1839 Frankfort Avenue, Louisville, KY 40206<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:2.0pt'><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif'>Main 502 895 2396<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:2.0pt'><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif'><a href="mailto:pferrara@aph.org">pferrara@aph.org</a></span><span style='font-family:"Arial",sans-serif'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><img border=0 width=90 height=108 style='width:.9375in;height:1.125in' id="Picture_x0020_1" src="cid:image003.png@01D989A7.CE508EF0"><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:2.0pt'><a href="http://www.freedomscientific.com/Certification"><span style='color:windowtext;text-decoration:none'><img border=0 width=86 height=86 style='width:.8958in;height:.8958in' id="Picture_x0020_5" src="cid:image004.png@01D989A7.CE508EF0" alt="JAWS Certified, 2019"></span></a><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:2.0pt'><img border=0 width=459 height=87 style='width:4.7812in;height:.9062in' id="Picture_x0020_6" src="cid:image005.jpg@01D989A7.CE508EF0" alt="IAAP Accessible Document Specialist Logo"><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:2.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></p></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #E1E1E1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in'><p class=MsoNormal><b>From:</b> athen-list <<a href="mailto:athen-list-bounces@mailman12.u.washington.edu">athen-list-bounces@mailman12.u.washington.edu</a>> <b>On Behalf Of </b>Karen McCall<br><b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, May 16, 2023 2:00 PM<br><b>To:</b> Access Technology Higher Education Network <<a href="mailto:athen-list@u.washington.edu">athen-list@u.washington.edu</a>><br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [Athen] PDF remediation help<o:p></o:p></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Cambria",serif;color:#1F3864'>PDF remediation is not possible for someone who depends on a screen reader and has no functional vision.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Cambria",serif;color:#1F3864'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Cambria",serif;color:#1F3864'>The reason for this is that you have to match the tags in the tags tree to what you see on the physical page. Screen readers can only read a PDF through what gets tagged.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Cambria",serif;color:#1F3864'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Cambria",serif;color:#1F3864'>Someone depending on a screen reader cannot tell if content has not been tagged. They cannot tell if the tag is the correct one for the type of content and they cannot determine a logical reading order for the document without being able to see the document. For example, if the PDF is a tri-fold brochure you need to divide the panels into parts and rearrange them in a logical reading order. <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Cambria",serif;color:#1F3864'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Cambria",serif;color:#1F3864'>I provide training on remediating PDFs and my material is accessible. I have a visual disability and use a screen reader but could not do this work without functional vision.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Cambria",serif;color:#1F3864'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Cambria",serif;color:#1F3864'>Someone using a screen reader can do user testing on PDFs but only after the PDFs have been remediated or made accessible.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Cambria",serif;color:#1F3864'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Cambria",serif;color:#1F3864'>The other aspect of this is that Adobe Acrobat Pro, Foxit PDF Editor and PowerPDF are not keyboard accessible for most of the UI components.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Cambria",serif;color:#1F3864'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Cambria",serif;color:#1F3864'>I’ve been working in the field of accessible PDFs for about 23 years.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Cambria",serif;color:#1F3864'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Cambria",serif;color:#1F3864'>Please contact me if you have questions or need clarification.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Cambria",serif;color:#1F3864'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Cambria",serif;color:#1F3864'>Cheers, Karen<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Cambria",serif;color:#1F3864'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #E1E1E1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in'><p class=MsoNormal><b>From:</b> athen-list <<a href="mailto:athen-list-bounces@mailman12.u.washington.edu">athen-list-bounces@mailman12.u.washington.edu</a>> <b>On Behalf Of </b>Paul Ferrara<br><b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, May 16, 2023 12:56 PM<br><b>To:</b> Access Technology Higher Education Network <<a href="mailto:athen-list@u.washington.edu">athen-list@u.washington.edu</a>><br><b>Subject:</b> [Athen] PDF remediation help<o:p></o:p></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>All,<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>We are looking for any or all of the following:<o:p></o:p></p><ol style='margin-top:0in' start=1 type=1><li class=MsoListParagraph style='margin-left:0in;mso-list:l2 level1 lfo6'>Accessible training on using Acrobat to remediate PDF documents, training must work with JAWS.<o:p></o:p></li><li class=MsoListParagraph style='margin-left:0in;mso-list:l2 level1 lfo6'>Other options to complement or replace Acrobat in remediating PDF documents. I tried Common Look, but the trial did not last long enough to test for full screen reader accessibility. Equidox has lots of features, but its creators acknowledge accessibility defects. Options or recommendations are needed. We would like to start remediating our own PDF documents instead of sending them elsewhere. Thank you.<o:p></o:p></li></ol><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:2.0pt'><b><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif'>Paul Ferrara, CPACC, ADS, Certified Braille Transcriber<o:p></o:p></span></b></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:2.0pt'><i><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif'>Communications Accessibility Editor, Dot6<o:p></o:p></span></i></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:2.0pt'><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif'>American Printing House<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:2.0pt'><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif'>1839 Frankfort Avenue, Louisville, KY 40206<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:2.0pt'><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif'>Main 502 895 2396<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:2.0pt'><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif'><a href="mailto:pferrara@aph.org">pferrara@aph.org</a></span><span style='font-family:"Arial",sans-serif'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><img border=0 width=90 height=108 style='width:.9375in;height:1.125in' id="Picture_x0020_4" src="cid:image003.png@01D989A7.CE508EF0"><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:2.0pt'><a href="http://www.freedomscientific.com/Certification"><span style='color:windowtext;text-decoration:none'><img border=0 width=86 height=86 style='width:.8958in;height:.8958in' id="Picture_x0020_2" src="cid:image004.png@01D989A7.CE508EF0" alt="JAWS Certified, 2019"></span></a><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:2.0pt'><img border=0 width=459 height=87 style='width:4.7812in;height:.9062in' id="Picture_x0020_3" src="cid:image005.jpg@01D989A7.CE508EF0" alt="IAAP Accessible Document Specialist Logo"><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:2.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div></div></body></html>