<div dir="auto">You’re spot on with the ease of use and levels of use you can get of of MathPix. It’s a terrific program!!</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">Wink<br clear="all"><div dir="auto"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_signature" data-smartmail="gmail_signature">Wink Harner<br>Assistive Technology Consulting and Training<br>Alternative Text Production<br>Portland OR.<br><br><a href="mailto:foreigntype@gmail.com">foreigntype@gmail.com</a></div></div></div><div><br></div><div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Fri, Nov 3, 2023 at 4:08 PM Joshua Hori <<a href="mailto:jhori@ucdavis.edu">jhori@ucdavis.edu</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">Hey Wink!<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">Some of the smaller math equations would be fine in EquatiO, but most of our math is statistics, physics, linear algebra, and the like. Long complex equations which may be difficult to capture the whole equation
the first time around in audio. <u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">After using Mathplayer, InftyEditor, and Wiris to edit math…I couldn’t bring myself to go backwards when it comes to STEM content. Mathpix sealed the deal.
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">Besides, I want fun math accommodations like
<a href="https://www.meta.com/experiences/pcvr/1143046855744783/" target="_blank">Calcflow</a>. <u></u>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">Joshua<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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</span></b><span style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black">athen-list <<a href="mailto:athen-list-bounces@mailman12.u.washington.edu" target="_blank">athen-list-bounces@mailman12.u.washington.edu</a>> on behalf of <a href="mailto:foreigntype@gmail.com" target="_blank">foreigntype@gmail.com</a> <<a href="mailto:foreigntype@gmail.com" target="_blank">foreigntype@gmail.com</a>></span></p></div></div></div></div></div><div lang="EN-US" link="blue" vlink="purple" style="word-wrap:break-word"><div class="m_1713718902068135016WordSection1"><div id="m_1713718902068135016mail-editor-reference-message-container"><div><div style="border:none;border-top:solid #b5c4df 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in"><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black"><br>
<b>Date: </b>Friday, November 3, 2023 at 2:38 PM<br>
<b>To: </b>Access Technology Higher Education Network <<a href="mailto:athen-list@u.washington.edu" target="_blank">athen-list@u.washington.edu</a>><br>
<b>Subject: </b>Re: [Athen] Math accessibility question - need feedback<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">To be fair, the student version of EquatIO is a TTS reader and meant for students with a reading disability. For alt text production work, it's possible to use the profesional educational version to convert
image based math to mathML which can then be further manipulated to create accessible math for other types of access. There are better, more accurate, and less time consuming processes at our disposal!<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">On Fri, Nov 3, 2023, 1:57 PM Joshua Hori <</span><a href="mailto:jhori@ucdavis.edu" target="_blank"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">jhori@ucdavis.edu</span></a><span style="font-size:11.0pt">> wrote:<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">You are correct J, and I agree with you wholeheartedly, which is the reason we haven’t invest in EquatiO. It’s an alt tag embedded in an image equation
with no ability to navigate the equation. <u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt"> <u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">We offer math in DOC or HTML format for complete accessibility and PDF for limited accessibility (only numbers are read aloud).
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">Mathpix has made making math easy! They export math in multiple formats quickly.
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">Best,
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">Joshua
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</span></b><span style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black">athen-list <</span><a href="mailto:athen-list-bounces@mailman12.u.washington.edu" target="_blank"><span style="font-size:12.0pt">athen-list-bounces@mailman12.u.washington.edu</span></a><span style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black">>
on behalf of Romack, Justin <</span><a href="mailto:justinr@disability.tamu.edu" target="_blank"><span style="font-size:12.0pt">justinr@disability.tamu.edu</span></a><span style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black">><br>
<b>Date: </b>Thursday, November 2, 2023 at 10:01 AM<br>
<b>To: </b></span><a href="mailto:athen-list@u.washington.edu" target="_blank"><span style="font-size:12.0pt">athen-list@u.washington.edu</span></a><span style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black"> <</span><a href="mailto:athen-list@u.washington.edu" target="_blank"><span style="font-size:12.0pt">athen-list@u.washington.edu</span></a><span style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black">><br>
<b>Subject: </b>[Athen] Math accessibility question - need feedback</span><span style="font-size:11.0pt"><u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">Howdy y’all!<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">I’m totally blind, so I’m trying to be cautious in approaching my question here and the response I provide to others in similar discussions as to
not inject my bias…<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt"> <u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">But when producing accessible STEM content (specifically materials with equations), is it widely agreed upon that equations as images with alt text
are less preferrable or not acceptable as compared to the same equations provided in MathML?<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">I’m seeing a trend where STEM content is shared as a PDF and, while equations are properly tagged with alt text that is a textual representation of
the content being displayed, I find this far less navigable than would be a document with equations in MathML.<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">Is it technically accessible? Debatable. Is it functionally equivalent or equitable access… My opinion is no.<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">Would love for you to chime in!<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">Thanks,<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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