[Athen] Athen Digest, Vol 27, Issue 21

Keith Valdez kvaldez8 at mscd.edu
Tue Apr 15 14:26:04 PDT 2008


"Interesting article. However, I take exception to the section about topic
sentences and main ideas. If someone wants to do markup for such things,
then I, as a non-disabled person, want the same for my books.

If I had had textbooks in college that highlighted the main topic sentences,
I'd have never had to read a textbook all the way through.

I'm sorry, where's the equal access in this idea? To me this sounds like
way more than equal access, this sounds like learning tools added in to the
document, and that, to me, sounds more like enabling than
equal access.

Did anyone else notice this?"

My sentiment exactly. When we recreate text books in our office, we do our
best to make as exact a port as possible. If all goes as planned with any
particular book, we have basically duplicated it as an electronic version of
itself, pictures and all. We do not add anything, as technically I'm not
sure we're aloud to. However, there are rare cases in which we'll have to
omit pictures to ensure accessibility, but with the way ABBYY 8 works, we
rarely have to do that.

Thanks,

Keith Valdez
Adaptive Technology Specialist
Metro State College of Denver's
ACCESS Center for
Disability Accommodations and
Adapitve Technology
Phone: 303-556-8387
Fax: 303-556-6852


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Today's Topics:

1. Re: Thoughts on DAISY (E.A. Draffan)
2. Re: Thoughts on DAISY (Robert Martinengo)
3. Re: Thoughts on DAISY (E.A. Draffan)


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Message: 1
Date: Mon, 14 Apr 2008 21:55:42 +0100
From: "E.A. Draffan" <ea at emptech.info>
Subject: Re: [Athen] Thoughts on DAISY
To: "'Access Technologists in Higher Education Network'"
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Yes I did and I thought how helpful that would be for those with a wide
range of learning difficulties (LD, dyslexia, ADD, ADHD etc). I would have
said this would normally be part of the study skills advice student's
receive rather than an accessibility option.

Best wishes E.A.

Mrs E.A. Draffan
Learning Societies Lab,
ECS, University of Southampton,
Tel +44 (0)23 8059 7246
http://www.lexdis.ecs.soton.ac.uk
http://www.emptech.info


-----Original Message-----
From: athen-bounces at athenpro.org [mailto:athen-bounces at athenpro.org] On
Behalf Of Kelmer, Susan M.
Sent: 14 April 2008 14:03
To: Access Technologists in Higher Education Network
Subject: Re: [Athen] Thoughts on DAISY

Interesting article. However, I take exception to the section about
topic sentences and main ideas. If someone wants to do markup for such
things, then I, as a non-disabled person, want the same for my books.

If I had had textbooks in college that highlighted the main topic
sentences, I'd have never had to read a textbook all the way through.

I'm sorry, where's the equal access in this idea? To me this sounds
like way more than equal access, this sounds like learning tools added
in to the document, and that, to me, sounds more like enabling than
equal access.

Did anyone else notice this?

Susan Kelmer
Adaptive Technology Specialist
Coordinator, Campus Labs and Classrooms/IAL
Technology and Educational Support Services/
Campus Technology Support Services
St. Louis Community College at Meramec
314/984-7951

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Message: 2
Date: Mon, 14 Apr 2008 17:15:45 -0400
From: "Robert Martinengo" <accessible.text at gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [Athen] Thoughts on DAISY
To: ea at emptech.info, "Access Technologists in Higher Education
Network" <athen at athenpro.org>
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Hello E.A.,

DAISY has made considerable efforts to define equal access as equal
usability, but it is not always clear where to draw the line. One
persons 'study tool' is another persons accommodation. The best way to
minimize the problem is to offer the same accessibility options to ALL
students, not just the 'Chafee population' (a US specific term, I
know). This is unlikely to happen as long as copyright exemptions
cloud the picture.

Regards,
Bob

On Mon, Apr 14, 2008 at 4:55 PM, E.A. Draffan <ea at emptech.info> wrote:

> Yes I did and I thought how helpful that would be for those with a wide

> range of learning difficulties (LD, dyslexia, ADD, ADHD etc). I would

have

> said this would normally be part of the study skills advice student's

> receive rather than an accessibility option.

>

> Best wishes E.A.

>

> Mrs E.A. Draffan

> Learning Societies Lab,

> ECS, University of Southampton,

> Tel +44 (0)23 8059 7246

> http://www.lexdis.ecs.soton.ac.uk

> http://www.emptech.info

>

>

>

>

> -----Original Message-----

> From: athen-bounces at athenpro.org [mailto:athen-bounces at athenpro.org] On

> Behalf Of Kelmer, Susan M.

> Sent: 14 April 2008 14:03

> To: Access Technologists in Higher Education Network

> Subject: Re: [Athen] Thoughts on DAISY

>

> Interesting article. However, I take exception to the section about

> topic sentences and main ideas. If someone wants to do markup for such

> things, then I, as a non-disabled person, want the same for my books.

>

> If I had had textbooks in college that highlighted the main topic

> sentences, I'd have never had to read a textbook all the way through.

>

> I'm sorry, where's the equal access in this idea? To me this sounds

> like way more than equal access, this sounds like learning tools added

> in to the document, and that, to me, sounds more like enabling than

> equal access.

>

> Did anyone else notice this?

>

> Susan Kelmer

> Adaptive Technology Specialist

> Coordinator, Campus Labs and Classrooms/IAL

> Technology and Educational Support Services/

> Campus Technology Support Services

> St. Louis Community College at Meramec

> 314/984-7951

>

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Message: 3
Date: Mon, 14 Apr 2008 23:05:00 +0100
From: "E.A. Draffan" <ea at emptech.info>
Subject: Re: [Athen] Thoughts on DAISY
To: "'Robert Martinengo'" <accessible.text at gmail.com>, "'Access
Technologists in Higher Education Network'" <athen at athenpro.org>
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Thank you for the explanation as I have to admit I was a little confused -
this is such an important subject and we are all working at it in so many
different ways :>)) One of the recent developments over here is the
Publisher Lookup UK http://www.publisherlookup.org.uk/index.php
Best wishes E.A.

Mrs E.A. Draffan
Learning Societies Lab,
ECS, University of Southampton,
Tel +44 (0)23 8059 7246
http://www.lexdis.ecs.soton.ac.uk
http://www.emptech.info

-----Original Message-----
From: Robert Martinengo [mailto:accessible.text at gmail.com]
Sent: 14 April 2008 22:16
To: ea at emptech.info; Access Technologists in Higher Education Network
Subject: Re: [Athen] Thoughts on DAISY

Hello E.A.,

DAISY has made considerable efforts to define equal access as equal
usability, but it is not always clear where to draw the line. One
persons 'study tool' is another persons accommodation. The best way to
minimize the problem is to offer the same accessibility options to ALL
students, not just the 'Chafee population' (a US specific term, I
know). This is unlikely to happen as long as copyright exemptions
cloud the picture.

Regards,
Bob

On Mon, Apr 14, 2008 at 4:55 PM, E.A. Draffan <ea at emptech.info> wrote:

> Yes I did and I thought how helpful that would be for those with a wide

> range of learning difficulties (LD, dyslexia, ADD, ADHD etc). I would

have

> said this would normally be part of the study skills advice student's

> receive rather than an accessibility option.

>

> Best wishes E.A.

>

> Mrs E.A. Draffan

> Learning Societies Lab,

> ECS, University of Southampton,

> Tel +44 (0)23 8059 7246

> http://www.lexdis.ecs.soton.ac.uk

> http://www.emptech.info

>

>

>

>

> -----Original Message-----

> From: athen-bounces at athenpro.org [mailto:athen-bounces at athenpro.org] On

> Behalf Of Kelmer, Susan M.

> Sent: 14 April 2008 14:03

> To: Access Technologists in Higher Education Network

> Subject: Re: [Athen] Thoughts on DAISY

>

> Interesting article. However, I take exception to the section about

> topic sentences and main ideas. If someone wants to do markup for such

> things, then I, as a non-disabled person, want the same for my books.

>

> If I had had textbooks in college that highlighted the main topic

> sentences, I'd have never had to read a textbook all the way through.

>

> I'm sorry, where's the equal access in this idea? To me this sounds

> like way more than equal access, this sounds like learning tools added

> in to the document, and that, to me, sounds more like enabling than

> equal access.

>

> Did anyone else notice this?

>

> Susan Kelmer

> Adaptive Technology Specialist

> Coordinator, Campus Labs and Classrooms/IAL

> Technology and Educational Support Services/

> Campus Technology Support Services

> St. Louis Community College at Meramec

> 314/984-7951

>

> _______________________________________________

> Athen mailing list

> Athen at athenpro.org

> http://athenpro.org/mailman/listinfo/athen_athenpro.org

>

> No virus found in this incoming message.

> Checked by AVG.

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13/04/2008

> 13:45

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>

>

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