[Athen] interesting article
George Kerscher
kerscher at montana.com
Tue Apr 15 22:13:23 PDT 2008
Hello Keith,
Indeed DAISY has been used to provide equal access to print publications.
However, we are trying to go way beyond basic accessibility. The
requirements that are being gathered look at the further development of
digital publishing for everybody. Identification of topic sentences, fuzzy
logic searching, dictionary word look ups and more are intended for all in
the new digital publishing arena.
We are trying to build in accessibility from the ground up as digital
publishing evolves.
Best
George
> -----Original Message-----
> From: athen-bounces at athenpro.org [mailto:athen-bounces at athenpro.org] On
> Behalf Of Keith Valdez
> Sent: Tuesday, April 15, 2008 3:26 PM
> To: athen at athenpro.org
> Subject: Re: [Athen] Athen Digest, Vol 27, Issue 21
>
> "Interesting article. However, I take exception to the section about
> topic
> sentences and main ideas. If someone wants to do markup for such
> things,
> then I, as a non-disabled person, want the same for my books.
>
> If I had had textbooks in college that highlighted the main topic
> sentences,
> I'd have never had to read a textbook all the way through.
>
> I'm sorry, where's the equal access in this idea? To me this sounds
> like
> way more than equal access, this sounds like learning tools added in to
> the
> document, and that, to me, sounds more like enabling than
> equal access.
>
> Did anyone else notice this?"
>
> My sentiment exactly. When we recreate text books in our office, we do
> our
> best to make as exact a port as possible. If all goes as planned with
> any
> particular book, we have basically duplicated it as an electronic
> version of
> itself, pictures and all. We do not add anything, as technically I'm
> not
> sure we're aloud to. However, there are rare cases in which we'll have
> to
> omit pictures to ensure accessibility, but with the way ABBYY 8 works,
> we
> rarely have to do that.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Keith Valdez
> Adaptive Technology Specialist
> Metro State College of Denver's
> ACCESS Center for
> Disability Accommodations and
> Adapitve Technology
> Phone: 303-556-8387
> Fax: 303-556-6852
>
>
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> Date: Mon, 14 Apr 2008 21:55:42 +0100
> From: "E.A. Draffan" <ea at emptech.info>
> Subject: Re: [Athen] Thoughts on DAISY
> To: "'Access Technologists in Higher Education Network'"
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> Yes I did and I thought how helpful that would be for those with a wide
> range of learning difficulties (LD, dyslexia, ADD, ADHD etc). I would
> have
> said this would normally be part of the study skills advice student's
> receive rather than an accessibility option.
>
> Best wishes E.A.
>
> Mrs E.A. Draffan
> Learning Societies Lab,
> ECS, University of Southampton,
> Tel +44 (0)23 8059 7246
> http://www.lexdis.ecs.soton.ac.uk
> http://www.emptech.info
>
>
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> Behalf Of Kelmer, Susan M.
> Sent: 14 April 2008 14:03
> To: Access Technologists in Higher Education Network
> Subject: Re: [Athen] Thoughts on DAISY
>
> Interesting article. However, I take exception to the section about
> topic sentences and main ideas. If someone wants to do markup for such
> things, then I, as a non-disabled person, want the same for my books.
>
> If I had had textbooks in college that highlighted the main topic
> sentences, I'd have never had to read a textbook all the way through.
>
> I'm sorry, where's the equal access in this idea? To me this sounds
> like way more than equal access, this sounds like learning tools added
> in to the document, and that, to me, sounds more like enabling than
> equal access.
>
> Did anyone else notice this?
>
> Susan Kelmer
> Adaptive Technology Specialist
> Coordinator, Campus Labs and Classrooms/IAL
> Technology and Educational Support Services/
> Campus Technology Support Services
> St. Louis Community College at Meramec
> 314/984-7951
>
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> Message: 2
> Date: Mon, 14 Apr 2008 17:15:45 -0400
> From: "Robert Martinengo" <accessible.text at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [Athen] Thoughts on DAISY
> To: ea at emptech.info, "Access Technologists in Higher Education
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> Hello E.A.,
>
> DAISY has made considerable efforts to define equal access as equal
> usability, but it is not always clear where to draw the line. One
> persons 'study tool' is another persons accommodation. The best way to
> minimize the problem is to offer the same accessibility options to ALL
> students, not just the 'Chafee population' (a US specific term, I
> know). This is unlikely to happen as long as copyright exemptions
> cloud the picture.
>
> Regards,
> Bob
>
> On Mon, Apr 14, 2008 at 4:55 PM, E.A. Draffan <ea at emptech.info> wrote:
> > Yes I did and I thought how helpful that would be for those with a
> wide
> > range of learning difficulties (LD, dyslexia, ADD, ADHD etc). I
> would
> have
> > said this would normally be part of the study skills advice
> student's
> > receive rather than an accessibility option.
> >
> > Best wishes E.A.
> >
> > Mrs E.A. Draffan
> > Learning Societies Lab,
> > ECS, University of Southampton,
> > Tel +44 (0)23 8059 7246
> > http://www.lexdis.ecs.soton.ac.uk
> > http://www.emptech.info
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: athen-bounces at athenpro.org [mailto:athen-bounces at athenpro.org]
> On
> > Behalf Of Kelmer, Susan M.
> > Sent: 14 April 2008 14:03
> > To: Access Technologists in Higher Education Network
> > Subject: Re: [Athen] Thoughts on DAISY
> >
> > Interesting article. However, I take exception to the section about
> > topic sentences and main ideas. If someone wants to do markup for
> such
> > things, then I, as a non-disabled person, want the same for my
> books.
> >
> > If I had had textbooks in college that highlighted the main topic
> > sentences, I'd have never had to read a textbook all the way
> through.
> >
> > I'm sorry, where's the equal access in this idea? To me this sounds
> > like way more than equal access, this sounds like learning tools
> added
> > in to the document, and that, to me, sounds more like enabling than
> > equal access.
> >
> > Did anyone else notice this?
> >
> > Susan Kelmer
> > Adaptive Technology Specialist
> > Coordinator, Campus Labs and Classrooms/IAL
> > Technology and Educational Support Services/
> > Campus Technology Support Services
> > St. Louis Community College at Meramec
> > 314/984-7951
> >
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> Message: 3
> Date: Mon, 14 Apr 2008 23:05:00 +0100
> From: "E.A. Draffan" <ea at emptech.info>
> Subject: Re: [Athen] Thoughts on DAISY
> To: "'Robert Martinengo'" <accessible.text at gmail.com>, "'Access
> Technologists in Higher Education Network'" <athen at athenpro.org>
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> Thank you for the explanation as I have to admit I was a little
> confused -
> this is such an important subject and we are all working at it in so
> many
> different ways :>)) One of the recent developments over here is the
> Publisher Lookup UK http://www.publisherlookup.org.uk/index.php
> Best wishes E.A.
>
> Mrs E.A. Draffan
> Learning Societies Lab,
> ECS, University of Southampton,
> Tel +44 (0)23 8059 7246
> http://www.lexdis.ecs.soton.ac.uk
> http://www.emptech.info
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Robert Martinengo [mailto:accessible.text at gmail.com]
> Sent: 14 April 2008 22:16
> To: ea at emptech.info; Access Technologists in Higher Education Network
> Subject: Re: [Athen] Thoughts on DAISY
>
> Hello E.A.,
>
> DAISY has made considerable efforts to define equal access as equal
> usability, but it is not always clear where to draw the line. One
> persons 'study tool' is another persons accommodation. The best way to
> minimize the problem is to offer the same accessibility options to ALL
> students, not just the 'Chafee population' (a US specific term, I
> know). This is unlikely to happen as long as copyright exemptions
> cloud the picture.
>
> Regards,
> Bob
>
> On Mon, Apr 14, 2008 at 4:55 PM, E.A. Draffan <ea at emptech.info> wrote:
> > Yes I did and I thought how helpful that would be for those with a
> wide
> > range of learning difficulties (LD, dyslexia, ADD, ADHD etc). I
> would
> have
> > said this would normally be part of the study skills advice
> student's
> > receive rather than an accessibility option.
> >
> > Best wishes E.A.
> >
> > Mrs E.A. Draffan
> > Learning Societies Lab,
> > ECS, University of Southampton,
> > Tel +44 (0)23 8059 7246
> > http://www.lexdis.ecs.soton.ac.uk
> > http://www.emptech.info
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: athen-bounces at athenpro.org [mailto:athen-bounces at athenpro.org]
> On
> > Behalf Of Kelmer, Susan M.
> > Sent: 14 April 2008 14:03
> > To: Access Technologists in Higher Education Network
> > Subject: Re: [Athen] Thoughts on DAISY
> >
> > Interesting article. However, I take exception to the section about
> > topic sentences and main ideas. If someone wants to do markup for
> such
> > things, then I, as a non-disabled person, want the same for my
> books.
> >
> > If I had had textbooks in college that highlighted the main topic
> > sentences, I'd have never had to read a textbook all the way
> through.
> >
> > I'm sorry, where's the equal access in this idea? To me this sounds
> > like way more than equal access, this sounds like learning tools
> added
> > in to the document, and that, to me, sounds more like enabling than
> > equal access.
> >
> > Did anyone else notice this?
> >
> > Susan Kelmer
> > Adaptive Technology Specialist
> > Coordinator, Campus Labs and Classrooms/IAL
> > Technology and Educational Support Services/
> > Campus Technology Support Services
> > St. Louis Community College at Meramec
> > 314/984-7951
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > Athen mailing list
> > Athen at athenpro.org
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