[Athen] Re: LaTeX to PDF

[Pielaet, Jon]

It is my understanding that rendering MathML or LaTeX in PDF basically removes the accessibility from the equation. (Please forgive me for the pun.)

 As Ron suggested, it is unlikely that we will see tools to make accessible math in PDFs.

MathML support in ePub 3 is the future and tools like MathJax are making waves.

In just the last few weeks, we have seen Pearson announce HTML+MathML for 70+ textbooks and Wikipedia implement MathJax.

I guess I'll need to learn a little more about MathType.

All the best,

Jon



Jon Pielaet

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Today's Topics:

   1. Re: LaTeX to PDF (Brian Richwine)
   2. RE: LaTeX to PDF (Ron Stewart)
   3. Re: LaTeX to PDF (Greg Kraus)
   4. Re: LaTeX to PDF (Karen Sorensen)


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Message: 1
Date: Sun, 28 Apr 2013 23:59:57 -0400
From: Brian Richwine <blrichwine at gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [Athen] LaTeX to PDF
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Is there a solution for accessing mathML in PDFs? I didn't think this was possible. I thought the only accessible forms of mathML were in Web pages and certain Daisy and EPUB readers.


On Fri, Apr 26, 2013 at 10:13 PM, Paul E. Paire <paire at temple.edu> wrote:


> No experience in this, but I think you may want to look at LaTeX -> 

> MathML

> -> PDF, possibly using MathFlow.

>

> -Paul

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> Does anyone have any experience going from LaTeX to accessible PDF or 

> know any tools that can help in this process?

>

> Thanks.

>

> Greg

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Message: 2
Date: Mon, 29 Apr 2013 03:50:43 -0500
From: "Ron Stewart" <ron at ahead.org>
Subject: RE: [Athen] LaTeX to PDF
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Currently there is not, and probably not likely to be.  The effort was put into ePub 3 to support MathML instead.

 

Ron 

 

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Is there a solution for accessing mathML in PDFs? I didn't think this was possible. I thought the only accessible forms of mathML were in Web pages and certain Daisy and EPUB readers.

 

On Fri, Apr 26, 2013 at 10:13 PM, Paul E. Paire <paire at temple.edu> wrote:

No experience in this, but I think you may want to look at LaTeX -> MathML
-> PDF, possibly using MathFlow.

-Paul
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Does anyone have any experience going from LaTeX to accessible PDF or know any tools that can help in this process?

Thanks.

Greg

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Date: Mon, 29 Apr 2013 06:10:18 -0400
From: Greg Kraus <greg_kraus at ncsu.edu>
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For this particular need, the user is actually just creating tables, not math. They have a lot of tabular data stored in LaTeX and want to convert it all to accessible PDFs. I'm not sure if that would change any recommendations or not.

Thanks.

Greg


On Mon, Apr 29, 2013 at 4:50 AM, Ron Stewart <ron at ahead.org> wrote:

> Currently there is not, and probably not likely to be.  The effort was 

> put into ePub 3 to support MathML instead.

>

>

>

> Ron

>

>

>

> From: athen-list-bounces at mailman1.u.washington.edu

> [mailto:athen-list-bounces at mailman1.u.washington.edu] On Behalf Of 

> Brian Richwine

> Sent: Sunday, April 28, 2013 11:00 PM

> To: Access Technology Higher Education Network

> Subject: Re: [Athen] LaTeX to PDF

>

>

>

> Is there a solution for accessing mathML in PDFs? I didn't think this 

> was possible. I thought the only accessible forms of mathML were in 

> Web pages and certain Daisy and EPUB readers.

>

>

>

> On Fri, Apr 26, 2013 at 10:13 PM, Paul E. Paire <paire at temple.edu> wrote:

>

> No experience in this, but I think you may want to look at LaTeX -> 

> MathML

> -> PDF, possibly using MathFlow.

>

> -Paul

> ________________________________________

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> Sent: Friday, April 26, 2013 9:50 PM

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> Subject: [Athen] LaTeX to PDF

>

>

> Does anyone have any experience going from LaTeX to accessible PDF or 

> know any tools that can help in this process?

>

> Thanks.

>

> Greg

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Date: Mon, 29 Apr 2013 11:23:54 -0700
From: Karen Sorensen <karen.sorensen at pcc.edu>
Subject: [Athen] Re: LaTeX to PDF
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Hi Greg,
It's my experience that PDFs created from LaTeX are untagged. And I don't
think any math equations are accessible in a PDF, but you probably knew
that.
Karen M. Sorensen
Accessibility Advocate for Online Courses
www.pcc.edu/access
Portland Community College
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