[Athen] Sub-lists

[Ron Stewart]

It looks like it may be a problem with the list structure but also partially a user education problem. Without seeing the actual code it is hard to tell.

 

Nested lists like this are a really an issue with many novice screen reader users, and based on here comments I would think this may be true.  One of the things I always tell users is don’t believe what you hear, especially on lists, menus and the like.  But to navigate through them using their keyboard to verify. 

 

Ron Stewart

 

From: athen-list [mailto:athen-list-bounces at mailman13.u.washington.edu] On Behalf Of Carin Headrick
Sent: Wednesday, August 06, 2014 3:15 PM
To: Access Technology Higher Education Network
Subject: Re: [Athen] Sub-lists

 

Hi.

 

Hmmm my screen reader, JAWS at the moment, didn’t really think that was a list at all, but I wonder if that’s something to do with it being changed somehow when it became an email.

 

Usually JAWS will say, for example, “list of 5 items” and when it reaches the sub-list, “list of 1 items nesting level 1” which indicates it’s inside the other list. I would have to check what NVDA or Voiceover does though.

 

Sorry I couldn’t be of much help.

 

Carin

 

From: athen-list [mailto:athen-list-bounces at mailman13.u.washington.edu] On Behalf Of Karen Sorensen
Sent: Wednesday, August 06, 2014 3:58 PM
To: Access Technology Higher Education Network
Subject: [Athen] Sub-lists

 

Hi Colleagues,

In working with a screen reader user, she expressed confusion about a sub-list. JAWS just read "list of 5 items" but before it reached the end of those  5 items, it read "list of 1 item". She thought something was wrong because it hadn't read all of the five items. Is there a better way to mark this up so it's obvious the list of 1 item is a sub-list? 

I asked if she could tell it was a sub-list because it hadn't reached the end of the 5 items yet, but she was more inclined to not believe the "list of 5 items" was correct. 

Here's the list:

*	Main Menu
*	Courses
*	Homework Sets

*	Section 1_2

*	Passwork/Email
*	Grades

Thanks!

Karen

Karen M. Sorensen
Accessibility Advocate for Online Courses
www.pcc.edu/access
Portland Community College
971-722-4720
"The power of the Web is in its universality. Access by everyone regardless of disability is an essential aspect.”  Tim Berners-Lee

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