[Athen] Unusual request

Sean J Keegan skeegan at stanford.edu
Mon Feb 9 18:17:39 PST 2015

Hi Byron,

I will second James's suggestion of having a PDF document that is tagged and the same document in an image format. It it easy to create the inaccessible PDF from the accessible PDF version - just save it as an image file (TIFF, PNG, JPG, etc.). You can do this from Adobe Acrobat (File > Save As Other... > Image > desired file format). As James mentioned, it is a nice way of showing how the same document can be accessible depending on how it is created.

Given the use case you mentioned, I am not sure I understand the Kurzweil angle. Does Kurzweil now read tagged PDF documents? My understanding was that it would either run OCR on the file or, at best, just try and read the text layer. Just reading the text layer, however, does not equate to an accessible PDF. For example, the document could be a text-based PDF (no headings, image descriptions, logical reading order, etc.) and yet there could still be text spoken.

Take care,

----- Original Message -----
From: "James Bailey" <jbailey at uoregon.edu>
To: "Access Technology Higher Education Network" <athen-list at u.washington.edu>
Sent: Monday, February 9, 2015 5:32:40 PM
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One thing I do is delete the tags from a complex (columns, tables, lists, links, images etc.) PDF. Generally JAWS shows all the flaws when the tags are gone. The bonus is you can then demo the same PDF with tags for comparison.

Good Luck,

James Bailey M.S.

Associate Director

Accessible Education Center

University of Oregon

From: athen-list [mailto:athen-list-bounces at mailman13.u.washington.edu] On Behalf Of Kluesner, Bryon
Sent: Monday, February 09, 2015 5:09 PM
To: athen-list at u.washington.edu
Subject: [Athen] Unusual request

This may sound odd, but does anyone have an inaccessible document, PDF image file they would be willing to share? When I convert faculty PDF readings, I save only the accessible file. I need to demonstrate to faculty how image files are not accessible to JAWS and Kurzweil. The Accessible Technology Initiative (ATI) committee I m a member of is hosting a Tech Fair this Thursday.



Bryon Kluesner, RhD
Adaptive Technology Coordinator
Disability Resource Center
Adjunct Faculty
College of Health, Education & Professional Studies
University of Tennessee at Chattanooga
615 McCallie Ave., Dept. 2953
Chattanooga, TN 37403


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