[Athen] BeeLine Reader
ronrstewart at gmail.com
Thu May 7 18:53:24 PDT 2015
You are entitled to your conclusions and taking offense were none was
intended. As I typically do I will continue to watch this product in the
Have a nice day.
On Thursday, May 7, 2015, Jennifer Sutton <jsuttondc at gmail.com> wrote:
> Actually, Ron, you were pretty clearly, at least to me, assuming that
> their target audience was people with print disabilities.
> That is not, in fact, what the staff member told me.
> Maybe it'd be more productive to channel your extensive experience (of
> which I'm entirely aware) into contacting the company and asking for the
> data (or even offering some *positive* suggestions for improvement if you
> can find any), instead of our spending time on this list speculating about
> what they've found, done, or whatever. I'm somehow doubtful they built this
> just for kicks and grins. But who knows?
> I am naive enough, I suppose, to think they must have *some* kind of
> audience/evidence of a need (or even data <gasp>!), or they'd already be
> out of business.
> Look, folks, I've been in this business a long time -- I daresay at
> *least* as long as you have, Ron. So, I'm not some naive newby who promotes
> every new product that comes down the pipeline. I do have a ticket for this
> particular "clue bus."
> While I can't see to judge the product, I know a good deal about the
> variation in what different people's reading needs may be, regardless of
> print reading disability.
> Something that *might* help some people track from line to line -- heck, I
> thought some on the list might be interested, or know students who like to
> tinker with these things.
> In *my* extensive experience, it's this kind of altogether skeptical
> response and pre-judgment of people's thinking and products that are
> trying to help which I have never found to help the cause. Sure, ask
> questions, but don't assume that it's *always* the same old story.
> Sometimes, just *some*times, history doesn't repeat.
> You think I've not seen my fair share of ill-conceived products designed
> to help "the poor blind to see?" [That'd be based on my personal
> opinion/judgment of what *I* might think blind people would find valuable.]
> You bet I have -- probably see at least one a month, come to think of it.
> You know what? When I do, I assume that people are *trying* to fill a
> need, and I have, often, gently advised conducting user research to get
> info from real users.
> Now, much to all of our relief, I'm done with this product and discussion,
> and I'll sure think twice before sharing info on here about other
> potentially interesting products.
> Lest anyone wonders, I've ZERO skin in this game -- just met a nice person
> who had what I *thought* might be something of interest to a few in this
> Thank you, Gaeir, for your tact and curiosity. The vendor seemed very
> interested in learning more about the community of people with
> reading/print disabilities, so perhaps some of you will reach out to
> I've done my share for them, even (maybe a very bad idea based on Ron's
> responses) going so far as to suggest they try connecting with the
> VoiceDream Reader guy to see if there'd be a match there.
> And hey, a thought:
> Could be a cool student research project to work with the company to
> conduct research about who it helps and who not.
> Sorry I wasted all of our time, but Ron, the negative responses really
> push my buttons. Note that if I *do* post about a product again, and I see
> responses like this time 'round, I'll be sure to ignore them and try not to
> feel like a "shot messenger" who is having her credibility/judgment
> Back to posting articles, only. Just "da factss . . ."
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