[Athen] screen readers recognizing tables on webpages

[Jennifer Sutton]

What I've seen is that things can be marked up as tables, and the s.r. 
announces them as such, but you can't navigate them like that. And most 
often, that is because the table is really being used for presentation.


Yes, it's very puzzling that screen readers are intervening/trying to 
interpret, and as far as I know, JFW is the one that's doing this most.


Perhaps it would be beneficial to see if folks who are working on Canvas 
accessibility directly can explain what's going on more clearly than I 
have been able to do, here.


Jennifer



On 9/19/2016 12:12 PM, Robert Beach wrote:

>

> It’s more than that.  The screen readers aren’t even recognizing that 

> it is a table.  There are no rows or columns at all except when I use 

> Fire Fox with NVDA.

>

> Very puzzling.

>

> Robert Lee Beach

>

> Assistive Technology Specialist

>

> Kansas City Kansas Community College

>

> 7250 State Avenue

>

> Kansas City, KS  66112

>

> Phone: 913-288-7671

>

> Email: rbeach at kckcc.edu <mailto:rbeach at kckcc.edu>

>

> *From:* athen-list 

> [mailto:athen-list-bounces at mailman13.u.washington.edu] *On Behalf Of 

> *Gaeir Dietrich

> *Sent:* Monday, September 19, 2016 2:07 PM

> *To:* 'Access Technology Higher Education Network' 

> <athen-list at u.washington.edu>

> *Subject:* Re: [Athen] screen readers recognizing tables on webpages

>

> I know in Word, you would need to mark the header row on the table for 

> it to interact properly with a screen reader. I have been told that 

> Canvas also allows the header row to be marked, so I would suspect 

> that improper mark-up is the problem.

>

> ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

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> Gaeir (rhymes with "fire") Dietrich

> HTCTU Director

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> *From:*athen-list 

> [mailto:athen-list-bounces at mailman13.u.washington.edu] *On Behalf Of 

> *Robert Beach

> *Sent:* Monday, September 19, 2016 11:53 AM

> *To:* Access Technology Higher Education Network 

> (athen-list at u.washington.edu <mailto:athen-list at u.washington.edu>)

> *Subject:* [Athen] screen readers recognizing tables on webpages

>

> Hey all,

>

> I had a very interesting situation.  I was working in Canvas and came 

> across a list of items.  Supposedly this was a table with three 

> columns.  In Internet Explorer, neither JAWS nor NVDA would recognize 

> it as a table but did read the information.  Unfortunately I could not 

> tell what items were in which columns.  Using FireFox, JAWS still did 

> not recognize the table, but NVDA did.

>

> Is this a matter of the way the instructor created the table?  Is it a 

> matter of the LMS using non-standard code?  I would like to let the 

> instructor know how to fix this if it is possible for him to do so.

>

> Thanks.

>

> Robert Lee Beach

>

> Assistive Technology Specialist

>

> Kansas City Kansas Community College

>

> 7250 State Avenue

>

> Kansas City, KS  66112

>

> Phone: 913-288-7671

>

> Email: rbeach at kckcc.edu <mailto:rbeach at kckcc.edu>

>

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