[Athen] question Jaws reading math

[Joseph Polizzotto]

Hi Susan,

What version of JAWS is the student using?

Do you have the default MathML targets for Publish as MathPage for MathType?
They are these:

HTML + MathJax
XHTML + MATHJax
XHTML+ MATHML
MathPlayer (IE behavior)
Multi-browser

There is a registry file (Tech Note# 152) that you can download from Design
Science that will give you these targets:

HTML +MathML + MATHJax (new)
HTML + MathML (new)
XHTML+ MATHML
MathPlayer (IE behavior)
Multi-browser

Here is a link to where you can download the registry file:
http://www.dessci.com/en/support/mathtype/tsn/tsn152.htm

If you are using the first set of targets, this has been my experience using
JAWS (v. 18):

- HTML + MathJax (1st target) + Google Chrome works best

If you are using the second set of targets, this has been my experience
using JAWS (v. 18):

- HTML + MathML + MathJax (1st target) + Google Chrome works best

Note: In the past I had been able to use HTML + MathML (2nd target) +
Firefox using JAWS (v. 18) but I just tested with Firefox Quantum and this
no longer seems to work.

HTH,

---
Joseph Polizzotto
HTCTU Instructor
408-996-6044
www.htctu.net






>-----Original Message-----

>From: athen-list [mailto:athen-list-bounces at mailman13.u.washington.edu]

>On Behalf Of Susan Kelmer

>Sent: Thursday, December 07, 2017 10:02 AM

>To: Access Technology Higher Education Network <athen-

>list at u.washington.edu>

>Subject: Re: [Athen] question Jaws reading math

>

>We have MathType 6.9b, so the latest (as far as I know).  We don't have an

>html5 option, and I've been using the Math + MathJax.  Will try xhtml +

>mathML option and see if that output reads better.

>

>Thanks for the input.  Any other advice, please share!

>

>-Susan

>

>-----Original Message-----

>From: athen-list [mailto:athen-list-bounces at mailman13.u.washington.edu]

>On Behalf Of Noble,Stephen L.

>Sent: Thursday, December 07, 2017 10:52 AM

>To: Access Technology Higher Education Network <athen-

>list at u.washington.edu>

>Subject: Re: [Athen] question Jaws reading math

>

>Hi Susan,

>

>The HTML5+MathML flavor will show up on the list of choices when the

>"MathML using..." drop down list is active in the MathPage dialog. If you

don't

>see it, you must have an old version of MathType. You might want to

consider

>updating. However, you ought to still have the MathML+MathJax option,

>unless you have a really old version. If you don't have that either, then

try the

>XHTML+MathML option. That should work in Firefox ESR with JAWS.

>

>--Steve

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>From: athen-list <athen-list-bounces at mailman13.u.washington.edu> on

>behalf of Susan Kelmer <Susan.Kelmer at colorado.edu>

>Sent: Thursday, December 7, 2017 12:39 PM

>To: Access Technology Higher Education Network

>Subject: Re: [Athen] question Jaws reading math

>

>Steve, how would I create an html5 page from the MathML output I'm getting

>from Word and MathType?  Is there a different setting I should be using to

>publish those MathTyped files and I am missing? I've been getting my info

>from Design Science but as we know, the haven't updated in a long time.

>

>This is definitely not my area of expertise, and the student is clueless.

He is

>refusing to use NVDA because he can't make it read expressions character by

>character.  And we need to figure out a way to make this work.

>

>-Susan

>

>-----Original Message-----

>From: athen-list [mailto:athen-list-bounces at mailman13.u.washington.edu]

>On Behalf Of Noble,Stephen L.

>Sent: Thursday, December 07, 2017 10:17 AM

>To: DSSHE-L at LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU; Access Technology Higher Education

>Network <athen-list at u.washington.edu>

>Subject: Re: [Athen] question Jaws reading math

>

>I was on a call several weeks back with the JAWS developers at FS, and they

>do home to eventually support native reading of math expressions inside a

>Word document...but they aren't there yet. But NVDA does work, and

>Window-Eyes used to work...and still may.

>

>As far as reading math expressions in an HTML page, using either

>HTML5+MathML or HTML+MathJax as the MathPage export *should* result

>in a file that can be read by JAWS. Using HTML+MathJax is probably best if

you

>don't know what browser the student is going to use. JAWS doesn't require

>MathPlayer or MathType to read math from an HTML file. According to their

>website, it should work in either Firefox or Internet Explorer:

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>That probably means it *doesn't* work with Microsoft Edge in Windows

>10...you'll need to see if you can install IE11. Also the newest Firefox is

causing

>problems with JAWS, so for now you'll probably have to switch to Firefox

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>Hope that helps!

>

>--Steve Noble

>steve.noble at louisville.edu

>502-969-3088

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>________________________________________

>From: athen-list <athen-list-bounces at mailman13.u.washington.edu> on

>behalf of Susan Kelmer <Susan.Kelmer at colorado.edu>

>Sent: Thursday, December 7, 2017 11:34 AM

>To: DSSHE-L at LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU; Access        Technology Higher

>Education Network

>Subject: [Athen] question Jaws reading math

>

>Hi all.  I should know this, but the last five years, I've had students

using NVDA

>to read math, so I'm very very rusty in this area.

>

>We are creating word files using Mathtype, and publishing them to Mathpage.

>The student indicates that the files aren't working - the math isn't being

read.

>He has mathplayer installed.

>

>I believe he also needs MathType, is that correct?  Is there anything else

he

>needs to have installed to make this work?  Is MathJax a requirement?  He's

>using Windows 10, so needs to use Firefox or Chrome browsers, I assume.

>Also, exactly WHAT files from that Mathpage output do I send him?  There is

>the file.htm, and then a folder full of the additional files (images and

some xml

>files).  I keep thinking these two things are not talking to each other, if

they

>need to.

>

>A good step-by-step process for how we need to save these files on our end,

>and more info on how the student should be accessing them, would be

>helpful.  Accessible math is somewhat new to him, and I don't know if it is

>error his end, or error on our end, or missing software on his end.

>

>Thanks in advance for any and all assistance.

>

>Susan Kelmer

>Alternate Format Production Program Manager Disability Services University

>of Colorado Boulder

>303-735-4836

>

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