[Athen] athen-list Digest, Vol 136, Issue 19
Craig Kerr
craig.kerr at email.edcc.edu
Mon May 22 14:15:11 PDT 2017
Here is a quote from the FAQ's on the Dear Colleague Letter from 2010:
1. Does the DCL apply when planning to use an emerging technology in a
class or school where no students with visual impairments are currently
enrolled?
A: Yes. Schools that are covered under Section 504 and the ADA have a
continuing obligation to comply with these laws. Therefore, the legal
obligations described in the DCL always apply. Just as a school system
would not design a new school without addressing physical accessibility,
the implementation of an emerging technology should always include planning
for accessibility. Given that tens of thousands of elementary, secondary,
and postsecondary students have visual impairments and that the composition
of the student body at a given school may change quickly and unexpectedly,
the use of emerging technology at a school without currently enrolled
students with visual impairments should include planning to ensure equal
access to the educational opportunities and benefits afforded by the
technology and equal treatment in the use of such technology. The planning
should include identification of a means to provide immediate delivery of
accessible devices or other technology necessary to ensure accessibility
from the outset.
retrieved from
https://www2.ed.gov/about/offices/list/ocr/docs/dcl-ebook-faq-201105_pg4.html
on May 22, 2017 @ 2:12pm (PST)
I think this adds to the discussion on the topic if all material produced
should be accessible.
Craig Kerr
Craig Kerr, MA
Director
Services for Students with Disabilities
20000 68th Ave. W., Lynnwood, WA 98036 | edcc.edu/ssd
craig.kerr at email.edcc.edu | 425-640-1283
Video Phone: 425-354-3113 | Fax: 425-640-1622
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> 1. Blackboard Ally and captioning (Joseph Sherman)
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> 3. Re: Blackboard Ally and captioning (Susan Kelmer)
> 4. Re: Blackboard Ally and captioning (Sheryl E. Burgstahler)
> 5. Re: Blackboard Ally and captioning (Jiatyan Chen)
> 6. Re: Blackboard Ally and captioning (Joseph Sherman)
> 7. Re: Blackboard Ally and captioning (James Bailey)
> 8. Re: Blackboard Ally and captioning (Joseph Sherman)
> 9. Re: Blackboard Ally and captioning (Robert Beach)
> 10. Re: Blackboard Ally and captioning (Susan Kelmer)
> 11. Re: Blackboard Ally and captioning (Jiatyan Chen)
> 12. Re: Blackboard Ally and captioning (Susan Kelmer)
> 13. Re: Blackboard Ally and captioning (Kurkjian, Nazely)
> 14. Re: Blackboard Ally and captioning (Rovner, Amy)
> 15. Re: Blackboard Ally and captioning (Samantha Johns)
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> Message: 1
> Date: Mon, 22 May 2017 15:32:18 +0000
> From: Joseph Sherman <Joseph.Sherman at cuny.edu>
> To: Access Technology Higher Education Network
> <athen-list at u.washington.edu>
> Subject: [Athen] Blackboard Ally and captioning
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> Looking for thoughts: Given the current understanding that course content
> that is not public doesn't need to be accessible until an accommodation is
> requested, how are folks justifying large outlays of cash for things like
> universal captioning and Blackboard Ally? It's got to be cheaper to rush
> caption and fix for accommodations than slow caption and fix everything
> when we have thousands of courses.
>
> Ideally, I'd want and love for all content to be captioned and completely
> accessible from the start. But I can't propose spending money we don't have
> without a really good reason.
>
> Joseph
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> Date: Mon, 22 May 2017 10:43:26 -0500
> From: Pamela Riesmeyer <pjries at gmail.com>
> To: Access Technology Higher Education Network
> <athen-list at u.washington.edu>
> Subject: Re: [Athen] Blackboard Ally and captioning
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> I'm sorry, is that the current understanding, that course content that is
> not public doesn't need to be accessible?
> Would someone be able to please point me to the documentation? I am going
> to get questions about this, and will need something to show. My
> understanding was that if it was online, no matter where, content needed to
> meet the compliance standards for accessibility.
>
> Thanks,
> Pam Riesmeyer
> Purdue University Northwest
>
>
> On Mon, May 22, 2017 at 10:32 AM, Joseph Sherman <Joseph.Sherman at cuny.edu>
> wrote:
>
> > Looking for thoughts: Given the current understanding that course content
> > that is not public doesn?t need to be accessible until an accommodation
> is
> > requested, how are folks justifying large outlays of cash for things like
> > universal captioning and Blackboard Ally? It?s got to be cheaper to rush
> > caption and fix for accommodations than slow caption and fix everything
> > when we have thousands of courses.
> >
> >
> >
> > Ideally, I?d want and love for all content to be captioned and completely
> > accessible from the start. But I can?t propose spending money we don?t
> have
> > without a really good reason.
> >
> >
> >
> > Joseph
> >
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
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> >
>
>
> --
> Pamela Riesmeyer
> Wings of Mercury Web Designs
> http://wingsofmercury.com
> Phone: 219-730-2751/219-961-4377
> SKYPE: pamela.riesmeyer
> pam at wingsofmercury.com
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> From: Susan Kelmer <Susan.Kelmer at colorado.edu>
> To: Access Technology Higher Education Network
> <athen-list at u.washington.edu>
> Subject: Re: [Athen] Blackboard Ally and captioning
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> I disagree, Joseph. At the very least, there should be a mandate in place
> that says all materials need to be accessible moving forward. Backward
> remediation of older materials can be done upon demand or on a
> well-thought-out schedule, but anything that is put up currently or in the
> future should be accessible before it is put up.
>
> You are begging for the DOJ to come in and ding you, and they will not
> accept your excuse of the time and money involved to remediate. And they
> certainly won't accept that you haven't been requiring that current and
> upcoming materials be accessible before they are released.
>
> Susan Kelmer
> Alternate Format Production Program Manager
> Disability Services
> University of Colorado Boulder
> 303-735-4836
>
>
>
> From: athen-list [mailto:athen-list-bounces at mailman13.u.washington.edu]
> On Behalf Of Joseph Sherman
> Sent: Monday, May 22, 2017 9:32 AM
> To: Access Technology Higher Education Network <
> athen-list at u.washington.edu>
> Subject: [Athen] Blackboard Ally and captioning
>
> Looking for thoughts: Given the current understanding that course content
> that is not public doesn't need to be accessible until an accommodation is
> requested, how are folks justifying large outlays of cash for things like
> universal captioning and Blackboard Ally? It's got to be cheaper to rush
> caption and fix for accommodations than slow caption and fix everything
> when we have thousands of courses.
>
> Ideally, I'd want and love for all content to be captioned and completely
> accessible from the start. But I can't propose spending money we don't have
> without a really good reason.
>
> Joseph
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> Date: Mon, 22 May 2017 09:12:05 -0700
> From: "Sheryl E. Burgstahler" <sherylb at uw.edu>
> To: Access Technology Higher Education Network
> <athen-list at u.washington.edu>
> Cc: Promoting Accessible IT in Higher Education
> <accessibleit at u.washington.edu>
> Subject: Re: [Athen] Blackboard Ally and captioning
> Message-ID: <E1561CD6-1A75-4240-B805-AA5E060791CA at uw.edu>
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>
> In a perfect world students with disabilities would not need to
> self-identify in an online course because the course would be designed to
> be accessible to them.
>
> We are required to provide accessible courses in a timely manner. It is
> difficult/impossible to do this in a course that uses a lot of multimedia
> if we don?t invest in some proactive work. As far as captioning I think it
> is reasonable to make sure that videos that will be used more than once in
> courses be proactively captioned. That and other accessibility efforts will
> at least reduce the need to provide accommodations for students with
> documented disabilities.
>
> Sheryl
>
> On May 22, 2017, at 8:43 AM, Pamela Riesmeyer <pjries at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > I'm sorry, is that the current understanding, that course content that
> is not public doesn't need to be accessible?
> > Would someone be able to please point me to the documentation? I am
> going to get questions about this, and will need something to show. My
> understanding was that if it was online, no matter where, content needed to
> meet the compliance standards for accessibility.
> >
> > Thanks,
> > Pam Riesmeyer
> > Purdue University Northwest
> >
> >
> > On Mon, May 22, 2017 at 10:32 AM, Joseph Sherman <
> Joseph.Sherman at cuny.edu> wrote:
> > Looking for thoughts: Given the current understanding that course
> content that is not public doesn?t need to be accessible until an
> accommodation is requested, how are folks justifying large outlays of cash
> for things like universal captioning and Blackboard Ally? It?s got to be
> cheaper to rush caption and fix for accommodations than slow caption and
> fix everything when we have thousands of courses.
> >
> >
> >
> > Ideally, I?d want and love for all content to be captioned and
> completely accessible from the start. But I can?t propose spending money we
> don?t have without a really good reason.
> >
> >
> >
> > Joseph
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
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> >
> >
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> > --
> > Pamela Riesmeyer
> > Wings of Mercury Web Designs
> > http://wingsofmercury.com
> > Phone: 219-730-2751/219-961-4377
> > SKYPE: pamela.riesmeyer
> > pam at wingsofmercury.com
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> Date: Mon, 22 May 2017 16:15:17 +0000
> From: Jiatyan Chen <jiatyan at stanford.edu>
> To: Access Technology Higher Education Network
> <athen-list at u.washington.edu>
> Subject: Re: [Athen] Blackboard Ally and captioning
> Message-ID: <C578123E-E623-4E4D-9A88-D952D6F03F45 at stanford.edu>
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>
> > On 2017 May 22, at 08:43, Pamela Riesmeyer <pjries at gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > I'm sorry, is that the current understanding, that course content that
> is not public doesn't need to be accessible?
> > Would someone be able to please point me to the documentation? I am
> going to get questions about this, and will need something to show. My
> understanding was that if it was online, no matter where, content needed to
> meet the compliance standards for accessibility.
>
> Hi Pam,
>
> There's no documentation because it is an *interpretation* of the law, and
> it's still being argued in the courts.
>
> The safest position is to caption everything, which might be cost
> prohibitive for the amount and speed of material Higher Ed is producing and
> sourcing. And while we are at it, also provide video description for all
> the material. ;)
>
> The more practical approach is to make a risk assessment based on intended
> audience, legal responsibility, and rapid-response capacity, and balance
> those criteria against production cost and capabilities, and the
> institution's teaching, research and social responsibilities. This is
> where you are hearing different lines/policy being drawn per institution.
>
> This webinar is a year old, but AFAIK, there hasn't been any landmark case
> to make it obsolete. The Q&A was the most valuable, IMO.
> http://www.3playmedia.com/resources/webinars/legal-year-03-31-2016/
>
> --
> Jiatyan Chen
>
>
>
>
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>
> Message: 6
> Date: Mon, 22 May 2017 16:16:47 +0000
> From: Joseph Sherman <Joseph.Sherman at cuny.edu>
> To: Access Technology Higher Education Network
> <athen-list at u.washington.edu>
> Subject: Re: [Athen] Blackboard Ally and captioning
> Message-ID:
> <633bacd8357441c19b1a7e5a01f747f6 at EXCPM5701.enterpriseapps.
> cuny.adlan>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
>
> Can you point to any case or DOJ complaint where documents or content in
> an closed course were required to be accessible prior to a request by an
> enrolled student? What is currently required is timely and equally
> effective access.
>
> Looking at the recent cases (note am not a practicing lawyer, and am
> describing the current situation as I understand it, not what should be the
> case):
>
> Berkeley was required to caption their open MOOCs because they were
> publicly available. Same with Harvard and MIT through EdX. Berkeley decided
> (unfortunately) to remove their MOOCs from public view to stop the lawsuit.
> If you look at any of the College accessibility resolutions, like Miami
> University, it requires WCAG AA for all public web sites and documents. It
> requires accessibility for the LMS and any similar required tools.
> http://www.d.umn.edu/~lcarlson/atteam/lawsuits.html
>
> However, for course content, students must register with Disability
> Services and receive Timely equally effective communication of curricular
> materials. As far as I know, no one has yet been required to make all
> course materials accessible from the outset for enrollment limited courses.
>
>
> Joseph Sherman
> Accessibility Specialist
> CUNY Computing & Information Services
> 395 Hudson St 6FL, 6-236
> 646-664-2167| Joseph.Sherman at cuny.edu<mailto:Joseph.Sherman at cuny.edu>
>
> From: athen-list [mailto:athen-list-bounces at mailman13.u.washington.edu]
> On Behalf Of Susan Kelmer
> Sent: Monday, May 22, 2017 12:05 PM
> To: Access Technology Higher Education Network <
> athen-list at u.washington.edu>
> Subject: Re: [Athen] Blackboard Ally and captioning
>
> I disagree, Joseph. At the very least, there should be a mandate in place
> that says all materials need to be accessible moving forward. Backward
> remediation of older materials can be done upon demand or on a
> well-thought-out schedule, but anything that is put up currently or in the
> future should be accessible before it is put up.
>
> You are begging for the DOJ to come in and ding you, and they will not
> accept your excuse of the time and money involved to remediate. And they
> certainly won't accept that you haven't been requiring that current and
> upcoming materials be accessible before they are released.
>
> Susan Kelmer
> Alternate Format Production Program Manager
> Disability Services
> University of Colorado Boulder
> 303-735-4836
>
>
>
> From: athen-list [mailto:athen-list-bounces at mailman13.u.washington.edu]
> On Behalf Of Joseph Sherman
> Sent: Monday, May 22, 2017 9:32 AM
> To: Access Technology Higher Education Network <
> athen-list at u.washington.edu<mailto:athen-list at u.washington.edu>>
> Subject: [Athen] Blackboard Ally and captioning
>
> Looking for thoughts: Given the current understanding that course content
> that is not public doesn't need to be accessible until an accommodation is
> requested, how are folks justifying large outlays of cash for things like
> universal captioning and Blackboard Ally? It's got to be cheaper to rush
> caption and fix for accommodations than slow caption and fix everything
> when we have thousands of courses.
>
> Ideally, I'd want and love for all content to be captioned and completely
> accessible from the start. But I can't propose spending money we don't have
> without a really good reason.
>
> Joseph
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> Date: Mon, 22 May 2017 16:23:31 +0000
> From: James Bailey <jbailey at uoregon.edu>
> To: Access Technology Higher Education Network
> <athen-list at u.washington.edu>
> Subject: Re: [Athen] Blackboard Ally and captioning
> Message-ID:
> <a3d960956fea42a3b369472fa3afb72e at ad-cc-ex1.ad.uoregon.edu>
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>
> Makes no sense to me either. We?re working on creating policies and
> procedures and someone from our general counsel?s office showed me the
> document. I believe it was generated by the feds, but I?m not sure which
> unit. What is really ironic is that you have to use your (our) university
> credentials to get into canvas. Does that make none of it public?
> --
> Best regards,
>
> James
> --
> James Bailey M.S.
> Associate Director
> Accessible Education Center
> University of Oregon
>
>
>
>
> From: athen-list [mailto:athen-list-bounces at mailman13.u.washington.edu]
> On Behalf Of Pamela Riesmeyer
> Sent: Monday, May 22, 2017 8:43 AM
> To: Access Technology Higher Education Network
> Subject: Re: [Athen] Blackboard Ally and captioning
>
> I'm sorry, is that the current understanding, that course content that is
> not public doesn't need to be accessible?
> Would someone be able to please point me to the documentation? I am going
> to get questions about this, and will need something to show. My
> understanding was that if it was online, no matter where, content needed to
> meet the compliance standards for accessibility.
>
> Thanks,
> Pam Riesmeyer
> Purdue University Northwest
>
>
> On Mon, May 22, 2017 at 10:32 AM, Joseph Sherman <Joseph.Sherman at cuny.edu<
> mailto:Joseph.Sherman at cuny.edu>> wrote:
> Looking for thoughts: Given the current understanding that course content
> that is not public doesn?t need to be accessible until an accommodation is
> requested, how are folks justifying large outlays of cash for things like
> universal captioning and Blackboard Ally? It?s got to be cheaper to rush
> caption and fix for accommodations than slow caption and fix everything
> when we have thousands of courses.
>
> Ideally, I?d want and love for all content to be captioned and completely
> accessible from the start. But I can?t propose spending money we don?t have
> without a really good reason.
>
> Joseph
>
>
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> --
> Pamela Riesmeyer
> Wings of Mercury Web Designs
> http://wingsofmercury.com<http://wingsofmercury.com/>
> Phone: 219-730-2751/219-961-4377
> SKYPE: pamela.riesmeyer
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> Message: 8
> Date: Mon, 22 May 2017 16:24:32 +0000
> From: Joseph Sherman <Joseph.Sherman at cuny.edu>
> To: Access Technology Higher Education Network
> <athen-list at u.washington.edu>
> Subject: Re: [Athen] Blackboard Ally and captioning
> Message-ID:
> <e73b341af3cc4c0b9273ef124425627b at EXCPM5701.enterpriseapps.
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>
> Note I'm not suggesting this is a best practice or what I would prefer to
> do. However we have tens of thousands of courses, 25 campuses, and 400,000
> students. Even with hiring a bunch of staff (which I'm told is impossible),
> it's a massive task.
>
> Joseph
>
> From: athen-list [mailto:athen-list-bounces at mailman13.u.washington.edu]
> On Behalf Of Joseph Sherman
> Sent: Monday, May 22, 2017 12:17 PM
> To: Access Technology Higher Education Network <
> athen-list at u.washington.edu>
> Subject: Re: [Athen] Blackboard Ally and captioning
>
> Can you point to any case or DOJ complaint where documents or content in
> an closed course were required to be accessible prior to a request by an
> enrolled student? What is currently required is timely and equally
> effective access.
>
> Looking at the recent cases (note am not a practicing lawyer, and am
> describing the current situation as I understand it, not what should be the
> case):
>
> Berkeley was required to caption their open MOOCs because they were
> publicly available. Same with Harvard and MIT through EdX. Berkeley decided
> (unfortunately) to remove their MOOCs from public view to stop the lawsuit.
> If you look at any of the College accessibility resolutions, like Miami
> University, it requires WCAG AA for all public web sites and documents. It
> requires accessibility for the LMS and any similar required tools.
> http://www.d.umn.edu/~lcarlson/atteam/lawsuits.html<
> https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__www.d.
> umn.edu_-7Elcarlson_atteam_lawsuits.html&d=DwMFAg&c=
> mRWFL96tuqj9V0Jjj4h40ddo0XsmttALwKjAEOCyUjY&r=NS7sMOEYVINwm3e4REboGQG-
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> VBcQbJzescvCHLT1UwgFWUlN2Aic3TXO7mkQTB0&e=>
>
> However, for course content, students must register with Disability
> Services and receive Timely equally effective communication of curricular
> materials. As far as I know, no one has yet been required to make all
> course materials accessible from the outset for enrollment limited courses.
>
>
> Joseph Sherman
> Accessibility Specialist
> CUNY Computing & Information Services
> 395 Hudson St 6FL, 6-236
> 646-664-2167| Joseph.Sherman at cuny.edu<mailto:Joseph.Sherman at cuny.edu>
>
> From: athen-list [mailto:athen-list-bounces at mailman13.u.washington.edu]
> On Behalf Of Susan Kelmer
> Sent: Monday, May 22, 2017 12:05 PM
> To: Access Technology Higher Education Network <
> athen-list at u.washington.edu<mailto:athen-list at u.washington.edu>>
> Subject: Re: [Athen] Blackboard Ally and captioning
>
> I disagree, Joseph. At the very least, there should be a mandate in place
> that says all materials need to be accessible moving forward. Backward
> remediation of older materials can be done upon demand or on a
> well-thought-out schedule, but anything that is put up currently or in the
> future should be accessible before it is put up.
>
> You are begging for the DOJ to come in and ding you, and they will not
> accept your excuse of the time and money involved to remediate. And they
> certainly won't accept that you haven't been requiring that current and
> upcoming materials be accessible before they are released.
>
> Susan Kelmer
> Alternate Format Production Program Manager
> Disability Services
> University of Colorado Boulder
> 303-735-4836
>
>
>
> From: athen-list [mailto:athen-list-bounces at mailman13.u.washington.edu]
> On Behalf Of Joseph Sherman
> Sent: Monday, May 22, 2017 9:32 AM
> To: Access Technology Higher Education Network <
> athen-list at u.washington.edu<mailto:athen-list at u.washington.edu>>
> Subject: [Athen] Blackboard Ally and captioning
>
> Looking for thoughts: Given the current understanding that course content
> that is not public doesn't need to be accessible until an accommodation is
> requested, how are folks justifying large outlays of cash for things like
> universal captioning and Blackboard Ally? It's got to be cheaper to rush
> caption and fix for accommodations than slow caption and fix everything
> when we have thousands of courses.
>
> Ideally, I'd want and love for all content to be captioned and completely
> accessible from the start. But I can't propose spending money we don't have
> without a really good reason.
>
> Joseph
>
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> Date: Mon, 22 May 2017 16:31:23 +0000
> From: Robert Beach <rbeach at KCKCC.EDU>
> To: Access Technology Higher Education Network
> <athen-list at u.washington.edu>
> Subject: Re: [Athen] Blackboard Ally and captioning
> Message-ID:
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>
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>
> Joseph,
>
> It shouldn't be your responsibility. There should be training for the
> faculty who are creating the course so they can create it accessibly from
> the beginning. That is far more efficient than letting them create it then
> you having to repurpose it to be accessible.
>
>
>
> Robert Lee Beach
> Assistive Technology Specialist
> Kansas City Kansas Community College
> 7250 State Avenue
> Kansas City, KS 66112
> Phone: 913-288-7671
> Email: rbeach at kckcc.edu<mailto:rbeach at kckcc.edu>
>
> From: athen-list [mailto:athen-list-bounces at mailman13.u.washington.edu]
> On Behalf Of Joseph Sherman
> Sent: Monday, May 22, 2017 11:25 AM
> To: Access Technology Higher Education Network <
> athen-list at u.washington.edu>
> Subject: Re: [Athen] Blackboard Ally and captioning
>
> Note I'm not suggesting this is a best practice or what I would prefer to
> do. However we have tens of thousands of courses, 25 campuses, and 400,000
> students. Even with hiring a bunch of staff (which I'm told is impossible),
> it's a massive task.
>
> Joseph
>
> From: athen-list [mailto:athen-list-bounces at mailman13.u.washington.edu]
> On Behalf Of Joseph Sherman
> Sent: Monday, May 22, 2017 12:17 PM
> To: Access Technology Higher Education Network <
> athen-list at u.washington.edu<mailto:athen-list at u.washington.edu>>
> Subject: Re: [Athen] Blackboard Ally and captioning
>
> Can you point to any case or DOJ complaint where documents or content in
> an closed course were required to be accessible prior to a request by an
> enrolled student? What is currently required is timely and equally
> effective access.
>
> Looking at the recent cases (note am not a practicing lawyer, and am
> describing the current situation as I understand it, not what should be the
> case):
>
> Berkeley was required to caption their open MOOCs because they were
> publicly available. Same with Harvard and MIT through EdX. Berkeley decided
> (unfortunately) to remove their MOOCs from public view to stop the lawsuit.
> If you look at any of the College accessibility resolutions, like Miami
> University, it requires WCAG AA for all public web sites and documents. It
> requires accessibility for the LMS and any similar required tools.
> http://www.d.umn.edu/~lcarlson/atteam/lawsuits.html<
> https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__www.d.
> umn.edu_-7Elcarlson_atteam_lawsuits.html&d=DwMFAg&c=
> mRWFL96tuqj9V0Jjj4h40ddo0XsmttALwKjAEOCyUjY&r=NS7sMOEYVINwm3e4REboGQG-
> NnI841o0NWYqtIwWJ4U&m=ys0trAVAVgcMYq3kE65crUQuY2dF7ClalTGfIwn87AM&s=Fzk_
> VBcQbJzescvCHLT1UwgFWUlN2Aic3TXO7mkQTB0&e=>
>
> However, for course content, students must register with Disability
> Services and receive Timely equally effective communication of curricular
> materials. As far as I know, no one has yet been required to make all
> course materials accessible from the outset for enrollment limited courses.
>
>
> Joseph Sherman
> Accessibility Specialist
> CUNY Computing & Information Services
> 395 Hudson St 6FL, 6-236
> 646-664-2167| Joseph.Sherman at cuny.edu<mailto:Joseph.Sherman at cuny.edu>
>
> From: athen-list [mailto:athen-list-bounces at mailman13.u.washington.edu]
> On Behalf Of Susan Kelmer
> Sent: Monday, May 22, 2017 12:05 PM
> To: Access Technology Higher Education Network <
> athen-list at u.washington.edu<mailto:athen-list at u.washington.edu>>
> Subject: Re: [Athen] Blackboard Ally and captioning
>
> I disagree, Joseph. At the very least, there should be a mandate in place
> that says all materials need to be accessible moving forward. Backward
> remediation of older materials can be done upon demand or on a
> well-thought-out schedule, but anything that is put up currently or in the
> future should be accessible before it is put up.
>
> You are begging for the DOJ to come in and ding you, and they will not
> accept your excuse of the time and money involved to remediate. And they
> certainly won't accept that you haven't been requiring that current and
> upcoming materials be accessible before they are released.
>
> Susan Kelmer
> Alternate Format Production Program Manager
> Disability Services
> University of Colorado Boulder
> 303-735-4836
>
>
>
> From: athen-list [mailto:athen-list-bounces at mailman13.u.washington.edu]
> On Behalf Of Joseph Sherman
> Sent: Monday, May 22, 2017 9:32 AM
> To: Access Technology Higher Education Network <
> athen-list at u.washington.edu<mailto:athen-list at u.washington.edu>>
> Subject: [Athen] Blackboard Ally and captioning
>
> Looking for thoughts: Given the current understanding that course content
> that is not public doesn't need to be accessible until an accommodation is
> requested, how are folks justifying large outlays of cash for things like
> universal captioning and Blackboard Ally? It's got to be cheaper to rush
> caption and fix for accommodations than slow caption and fix everything
> when we have thousands of courses.
>
> Ideally, I'd want and love for all content to be captioned and completely
> accessible from the start. But I can't propose spending money we don't have
> without a really good reason.
>
> Joseph
>
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> Message: 10
> Date: Mon, 22 May 2017 16:35:36 +0000
> From: Susan Kelmer <Susan.Kelmer at colorado.edu>
> To: Access Technology Higher Education Network
> <athen-list at u.washington.edu>
> Subject: Re: [Athen] Blackboard Ally and captioning
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> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
>
> Feel free to look at our accessibility website, and see what our timeline
> and progress is after the DOJ can knocking on our door about our
> inaccessibility. I believe it is incredibly important to be proactive, and
> to make sure that ANYTHING that is being put up now and in the future, is
> accessible. This is because remediation is fire-fighting (and expensive in
> both dollars and time), and being proactive is preventive (and cheaper in
> both dollars and time). You should always opt for being preventive when
> possible. Waiting until a student asks for accommodations is not really
> providing equal access and honestly, that attitude is really outdated and
> needs to find its way out of our processes on college campuses. We should
> be providing accessible materials up front, before anyone needs them and
> negating the need for a student to ask for them. It is cost-effective,
> puts you on good moral and legal ground, and simply, is just the right
> thing to do.
>
> Susan Kelmer
> Alternate Format Production Program Manager
> Disability Services
> University of Colorado Boulder
> 303-735-4836
>
>
>
>
>
> From: athen-list [mailto:athen-list-bounces at mailman13.u.washington.edu]
> On Behalf Of Joseph Sherman
> Sent: Monday, May 22, 2017 10:17 AM
> To: Access Technology Higher Education Network <
> athen-list at u.washington.edu>
> Subject: Re: [Athen] Blackboard Ally and captioning
>
> Can you point to any case or DOJ complaint where documents or content in
> an closed course were required to be accessible prior to a request by an
> enrolled student? What is currently required is timely and equally
> effective access.
>
> Looking at the recent cases (note am not a practicing lawyer, and am
> describing the current situation as I understand it, not what should be the
> case):
>
> Berkeley was required to caption their open MOOCs because they were
> publicly available. Same with Harvard and MIT through EdX. Berkeley decided
> (unfortunately) to remove their MOOCs from public view to stop the lawsuit.
> If you look at any of the College accessibility resolutions, like Miami
> University, it requires WCAG AA for all public web sites and documents. It
> requires accessibility for the LMS and any similar required tools.
> http://www.d.umn.edu/~lcarlson/atteam/lawsuits.html
>
> However, for course content, students must register with Disability
> Services and receive Timely equally effective communication of curricular
> materials. As far as I know, no one has yet been required to make all
> course materials accessible from the outset for enrollment limited courses.
>
>
> Joseph Sherman
> Accessibility Specialist
> CUNY Computing & Information Services
> 395 Hudson St 6FL, 6-236
> 646-664-2167| Joseph.Sherman at cuny.edu<mailto:Joseph.Sherman at cuny.edu>
>
> From: athen-list [mailto:athen-list-bounces at mailman13.u.washington.edu]
> On Behalf Of Susan Kelmer
> Sent: Monday, May 22, 2017 12:05 PM
> To: Access Technology Higher Education Network <
> athen-list at u.washington.edu<mailto:athen-list at u.washington.edu>>
> Subject: Re: [Athen] Blackboard Ally and captioning
>
> I disagree, Joseph. At the very least, there should be a mandate in place
> that says all materials need to be accessible moving forward. Backward
> remediation of older materials can be done upon demand or on a
> well-thought-out schedule, but anything that is put up currently or in the
> future should be accessible before it is put up.
>
> You are begging for the DOJ to come in and ding you, and they will not
> accept your excuse of the time and money involved to remediate. And they
> certainly won't accept that you haven't been requiring that current and
> upcoming materials be accessible before they are released.
>
> Susan Kelmer
> Alternate Format Production Program Manager
> Disability Services
> University of Colorado Boulder
> 303-735-4836
>
>
>
> From: athen-list [mailto:athen-list-bounces at mailman13.u.washington.edu]
> On Behalf Of Joseph Sherman
> Sent: Monday, May 22, 2017 9:32 AM
> To: Access Technology Higher Education Network <
> athen-list at u.washington.edu<mailto:athen-list at u.washington.edu>>
> Subject: [Athen] Blackboard Ally and captioning
>
> Looking for thoughts: Given the current understanding that course content
> that is not public doesn't need to be accessible until an accommodation is
> requested, how are folks justifying large outlays of cash for things like
> universal captioning and Blackboard Ally? It's got to be cheaper to rush
> caption and fix for accommodations than slow caption and fix everything
> when we have thousands of courses.
>
> Ideally, I'd want and love for all content to be captioned and completely
> accessible from the start. But I can't propose spending money we don't have
> without a really good reason.
>
> Joseph
>
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> Message: 11
> Date: Mon, 22 May 2017 16:37:30 +0000
> From: Jiatyan Chen <jiatyan at stanford.edu>
> To: Access Technology Higher Education Network
> <athen-list at u.washington.edu>
> Subject: Re: [Athen] Blackboard Ally and captioning
> Message-ID: <E0047047-CF21-4796-8494-D5B47ADD36EE at stanford.edu>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
>
> On 2017 May 22, at 08:32, Joseph Sherman <Joseph.Sherman at cuny.edu> wrote:
> >
> > how are folks justifying large outlays of cash for things like universal
> captioning and Blackboard Ally?
>
> Joseph,
>
> Depending on your institution's culture, you might make a case for
> Blackboard Ally
> 1. continuous improvement - provides statistics to show changes and help
> adjust effort/policy,
> 2. educating authors - has basic tutorials and scoring to teach and
> motivate authors.
> 3. ease of mind - a decent on-demand converter to fill some gaps we can't
> cover manually.
> 4. the price is based on FTE, which is more controllable than rampant
> content production.
>
> I can't think of good reasons to justify universal captioning. :p Might
> want to ring-fence "universal" with some controllable criteria.
>
> --
> Jiatyan Chen
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 12
> Date: Mon, 22 May 2017 16:37:52 +0000
> From: Susan Kelmer <Susan.Kelmer at colorado.edu>
> To: Access Technology Higher Education Network
> <athen-list at u.washington.edu>
> Subject: Re: [Athen] Blackboard Ally and captioning
> Message-ID:
> <DM5PR03MB2907FB829E38EFBBD7748AC8FBF80 at DM5PR03MB2907.
> namprd03.prod.outlook.com>
>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
>
> Our accessibility website is:
>
> http://www.colorado.edu/accessibility
>
>
> From: athen-list [mailto:athen-list-bounces at mailman13.u.washington.edu]
> On Behalf Of Susan Kelmer
> Sent: Monday, May 22, 2017 10:36 AM
> To: Access Technology Higher Education Network <
> athen-list at u.washington.edu>
> Subject: Re: [Athen] Blackboard Ally and captioning
>
> Feel free to look at our accessibility website, and see what our timeline
> and progress is after the DOJ can knocking on our door about our
> inaccessibility. I believe it is incredibly important to be proactive, and
> to make sure that ANYTHING that is being put up now and in the future, is
> accessible. This is because remediation is fire-fighting (and expensive in
> both dollars and time), and being proactive is preventive (and cheaper in
> both dollars and time). You should always opt for being preventive when
> possible. Waiting until a student asks for accommodations is not really
> providing equal access and honestly, that attitude is really outdated and
> needs to find its way out of our processes on college campuses. We should
> be providing accessible materials up front, before anyone needs them and
> negating the need for a student to ask for them. It is cost-effective,
> puts you on good moral and legal ground, and simply, is just the right
> thing to do.
>
> Susan Kelmer
> Alternate Format Production Program Manager
> Disability Services
> University of Colorado Boulder
> 303-735-4836
>
>
>
>
>
> From: athen-list [mailto:athen-list-bounces at mailman13.u.washington.edu]
> On Behalf Of Joseph Sherman
> Sent: Monday, May 22, 2017 10:17 AM
> To: Access Technology Higher Education Network <
> athen-list at u.washington.edu<mailto:athen-list at u.washington.edu>>
> Subject: Re: [Athen] Blackboard Ally and captioning
>
> Can you point to any case or DOJ complaint where documents or content in
> an closed course were required to be accessible prior to a request by an
> enrolled student? What is currently required is timely and equally
> effective access.
>
> Looking at the recent cases (note am not a practicing lawyer, and am
> describing the current situation as I understand it, not what should be the
> case):
>
> Berkeley was required to caption their open MOOCs because they were
> publicly available. Same with Harvard and MIT through EdX. Berkeley decided
> (unfortunately) to remove their MOOCs from public view to stop the lawsuit.
> If you look at any of the College accessibility resolutions, like Miami
> University, it requires WCAG AA for all public web sites and documents. It
> requires accessibility for the LMS and any similar required tools.
> http://www.d.umn.edu/~lcarlson/atteam/lawsuits.html
>
> However, for course content, students must register with Disability
> Services and receive Timely equally effective communication of curricular
> materials. As far as I know, no one has yet been required to make all
> course materials accessible from the outset for enrollment limited courses.
>
>
> Joseph Sherman
> Accessibility Specialist
> CUNY Computing & Information Services
> 395 Hudson St 6FL, 6-236
> 646-664-2167| Joseph.Sherman at cuny.edu<mailto:Joseph.Sherman at cuny.edu>
>
> From: athen-list [mailto:athen-list-bounces at mailman13.u.washington.edu]
> On Behalf Of Susan Kelmer
> Sent: Monday, May 22, 2017 12:05 PM
> To: Access Technology Higher Education Network <
> athen-list at u.washington.edu<mailto:athen-list at u.washington.edu>>
> Subject: Re: [Athen] Blackboard Ally and captioning
>
> I disagree, Joseph. At the very least, there should be a mandate in place
> that says all materials need to be accessible moving forward. Backward
> remediation of older materials can be done upon demand or on a
> well-thought-out schedule, but anything that is put up currently or in the
> future should be accessible before it is put up.
>
> You are begging for the DOJ to come in and ding you, and they will not
> accept your excuse of the time and money involved to remediate. And they
> certainly won't accept that you haven't been requiring that current and
> upcoming materials be accessible before they are released.
>
> Susan Kelmer
> Alternate Format Production Program Manager
> Disability Services
> University of Colorado Boulder
> 303-735-4836
>
>
>
> From: athen-list [mailto:athen-list-bounces at mailman13.u.washington.edu]
> On Behalf Of Joseph Sherman
> Sent: Monday, May 22, 2017 9:32 AM
> To: Access Technology Higher Education Network <
> athen-list at u.washington.edu<mailto:athen-list at u.washington.edu>>
> Subject: [Athen] Blackboard Ally and captioning
>
> Looking for thoughts: Given the current understanding that course content
> that is not public doesn't need to be accessible until an accommodation is
> requested, how are folks justifying large outlays of cash for things like
> universal captioning and Blackboard Ally? It's got to be cheaper to rush
> caption and fix for accommodations than slow caption and fix everything
> when we have thousands of courses.
>
> Ideally, I'd want and love for all content to be captioned and completely
> accessible from the start. But I can't propose spending money we don't have
> without a really good reason.
>
> Joseph
>
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> Message: 13
> Date: Mon, 22 May 2017 16:44:06 +0000
> From: "Kurkjian, Nazely" <Nazely.Kurkjian at suny.edu>
> To: Access Technology Higher Education Network
> <athen-list at u.washington.edu>
> Subject: Re: [Athen] Blackboard Ally and captioning
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>
> Faculty captioning their own videos is not a reality at every campus, nor
> do I think it should be. I do believe in shared responsibility. I think
> institutions should be more strategic about who we work with in the
> audio-video market, particularly with video streaming/creating vendors. In
> the past few years alone, I've witnessed incredible trends to respond to
> our accessibility needs. These vendors are building in automatic captioning
> at several cents per min, if not for free. The accuracy is 90%+. The
> question then is who does the accuracy clean up. I honestly believe in a
> few years this won't be as big of an issue as it is now.
>
> Additionally, I think we should get better at assessing and predicting the
> amount of content we need to make accessible. How many videos are linked to
> outside college versus created in house? What tools are being used to
> create, share, etc? How many hours of video are posted in LMS?
>
> Just my thoughts.
>
> Nazely
>
> [circle]<http://www.suny.edu/>
>
> Nazely Kurkjian (she, her, hers)
> Coordinator of Disability, Diversity, and Nontraditional Student Services
> The State University of New York
> State University Plaza - Albany, New York 12246
> Tel: 518.445.4078 Fax: 518.320.1557
> Be a part of Generation SUNY: Facebook<http://www.facebook.
> com/generationsuny> - Twitter<http://www.twitter.com/SUNY> - YouTube<
> http://www.youtube.com/generationsuny>
>
>
>
> From: athen-list [mailto:athen-list-bounces at mailman13.u.washington.edu]
> On Behalf Of Robert Beach
> Sent: Monday, May 22, 2017 12:31 PM
> To: Access Technology Higher Education Network <
> athen-list at u.washington.edu>
> Subject: Re: [Athen] Blackboard Ally and captioning
>
> Joseph,
>
> It shouldn't be your responsibility. There should be training for the
> faculty who are creating the course so they can create it accessibly from
> the beginning. That is far more efficient than letting them create it then
> you having to repurpose it to be accessible.
>
>
>
> Robert Lee Beach
> Assistive Technology Specialist
> Kansas City Kansas Community College
> 7250 State Avenue
> Kansas City, KS 66112
> Phone: 913-288-7671
> Email: rbeach at kckcc.edu<mailto:rbeach at kckcc.edu>
>
> From: athen-list [mailto:athen-list-bounces at mailman13.u.washington.edu]
> On Behalf Of Joseph Sherman
> Sent: Monday, May 22, 2017 11:25 AM
> To: Access Technology Higher Education Network <
> athen-list at u.washington.edu<mailto:athen-list at u.washington.edu>>
> Subject: Re: [Athen] Blackboard Ally and captioning
>
> Note I'm not suggesting this is a best practice or what I would prefer to
> do. However we have tens of thousands of courses, 25 campuses, and 400,000
> students. Even with hiring a bunch of staff (which I'm told is impossible),
> it's a massive task.
>
> Joseph
>
> From: athen-list [mailto:athen-list-bounces at mailman13.u.washington.edu]
> On Behalf Of Joseph Sherman
> Sent: Monday, May 22, 2017 12:17 PM
> To: Access Technology Higher Education Network <
> athen-list at u.washington.edu<mailto:athen-list at u.washington.edu>>
> Subject: Re: [Athen] Blackboard Ally and captioning
>
> Can you point to any case or DOJ complaint where documents or content in
> an closed course were required to be accessible prior to a request by an
> enrolled student? What is currently required is timely and equally
> effective access.
>
> Looking at the recent cases (note am not a practicing lawyer, and am
> describing the current situation as I understand it, not what should be the
> case):
>
> Berkeley was required to caption their open MOOCs because they were
> publicly available. Same with Harvard and MIT through EdX. Berkeley decided
> (unfortunately) to remove their MOOCs from public view to stop the lawsuit.
> If you look at any of the College accessibility resolutions, like Miami
> University, it requires WCAG AA for all public web sites and documents. It
> requires accessibility for the LMS and any similar required tools.
> http://www.d.umn.edu/~lcarlson/atteam/lawsuits.html<
> https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__www.d.
> umn.edu_-7Elcarlson_atteam_lawsuits.html&d=DwMFAg&c=
> mRWFL96tuqj9V0Jjj4h40ddo0XsmttALwKjAEOCyUjY&r=NS7sMOEYVINwm3e4REboGQG-
> NnI841o0NWYqtIwWJ4U&m=ys0trAVAVgcMYq3kE65crUQuY2dF7ClalTGfIwn87AM&s=Fzk_
> VBcQbJzescvCHLT1UwgFWUlN2Aic3TXO7mkQTB0&e=>
>
> However, for course content, students must register with Disability
> Services and receive Timely equally effective communication of curricular
> materials. As far as I know, no one has yet been required to make all
> course materials accessible from the outset for enrollment limited courses.
>
>
> Joseph Sherman
> Accessibility Specialist
> CUNY Computing & Information Services
> 395 Hudson St 6FL, 6-236
> 646-664-2167| Joseph.Sherman at cuny.edu<mailto:Joseph.Sherman at cuny.edu>
>
> From: athen-list [mailto:athen-list-bounces at mailman13.u.washington.edu]
> On Behalf Of Susan Kelmer
> Sent: Monday, May 22, 2017 12:05 PM
> To: Access Technology Higher Education Network <
> athen-list at u.washington.edu<mailto:athen-list at u.washington.edu>>
> Subject: Re: [Athen] Blackboard Ally and captioning
>
> I disagree, Joseph. At the very least, there should be a mandate in place
> that says all materials need to be accessible moving forward. Backward
> remediation of older materials can be done upon demand or on a
> well-thought-out schedule, but anything that is put up currently or in the
> future should be accessible before it is put up.
>
> You are begging for the DOJ to come in and ding you, and they will not
> accept your excuse of the time and money involved to remediate. And they
> certainly won't accept that you haven't been requiring that current and
> upcoming materials be accessible before they are released.
>
> Susan Kelmer
> Alternate Format Production Program Manager
> Disability Services
> University of Colorado Boulder
> 303-735-4836
>
>
>
> From: athen-list [mailto:athen-list-bounces at mailman13.u.washington.edu]
> On Behalf Of Joseph Sherman
> Sent: Monday, May 22, 2017 9:32 AM
> To: Access Technology Higher Education Network <
> athen-list at u.washington.edu<mailto:athen-list at u.washington.edu>>
> Subject: [Athen] Blackboard Ally and captioning
>
> Looking for thoughts: Given the current understanding that course content
> that is not public doesn't need to be accessible until an accommodation is
> requested, how are folks justifying large outlays of cash for things like
> universal captioning and Blackboard Ally? It's got to be cheaper to rush
> caption and fix for accommodations than slow caption and fix everything
> when we have thousands of courses.
>
> Ideally, I'd want and love for all content to be captioned and completely
> accessible from the start. But I can't propose spending money we don't have
> without a really good reason.
>
> Joseph
>
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> Message: 14
> Date: Mon, 22 May 2017 17:14:55 +0000
> From: "Rovner, Amy" <arovner at shoreline.edu>
> To: Access Technology Higher Education Network
> <athen-list at u.washington.edu>
> Subject: Re: [Athen] Blackboard Ally and captioning
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> I think it's also important to note that Berkeley isn't off the hook just
> because they moved all that content behind a password protected wall. The
> complaint hasn't been resolved so we need to keep watching for the outcome.
>
> Plus - there are quite a lot of students with learning and other
> disabilities that do not register with their office of Disability Services
> (for a whole host of reasons) and can benefit from more accessible online
> content. Not to mention the benefits to all learners with captions on
> videos, more organized content due to the use of heading/styles, etc.
> (Universal Design!)
>
> It's a big process, it costs money, time and effort BUT it's long overdue
> and, as Susan mentioned - WAY more expensive with a shorter timeline if you
> end up having a complaint lodged against your organization.
>
> An advantage we all have is being part of groups like ATHEN so we can
> share knowledge and resources to help this process move ahead on our
> campuses. Also - the power of our combined voices (and purchasing dollars)
> is forcing change by publishers, film developers, LMs's, etc.
>
> Best,
>
> Amy
>
>
> Amy Rovner, MPH RD
> Instructional Designer
> Accessible IT Coordinator
> eLearning Services
> Shoreline Community College
> (206) 546-6937
> arovner at shoreline.edu
>
>
>
>
> From: athen-list [mailto:athen-list-bounces at mailman13.u.washington.edu]
> On Behalf Of Kurkjian, Nazely
> Sent: Monday, May 22, 2017 9:44 AM
> To: Access Technology Higher Education Network <
> athen-list at u.washington.edu>
> Subject: Re: [Athen] Blackboard Ally and captioning
>
> Faculty captioning their own videos is not a reality at every campus, nor
> do I think it should be. I do believe in shared responsibility. I think
> institutions should be more strategic about who we work with in the
> audio-video market, particularly with video streaming/creating vendors. In
> the past few years alone, I've witnessed incredible trends to respond to
> our accessibility needs. These vendors are building in automatic captioning
> at several cents per min, if not for free. The accuracy is 90%+. The
> question then is who does the accuracy clean up. I honestly believe in a
> few years this won't be as big of an issue as it is now.
>
> Additionally, I think we should get better at assessing and predicting the
> amount of content we need to make accessible. How many videos are linked to
> outside college versus created in house? What tools are being used to
> create, share, etc? How many hours of video are posted in LMS?
>
> Just my thoughts.
>
> Nazely
>
> [circle]<http://www.suny.edu/>
>
> Nazely Kurkjian (she, her, hers)
> Coordinator of Disability, Diversity, and Nontraditional Student Services
> The State University of New York
> State University Plaza - Albany, New York 12246
> Tel: 518.445.4078 Fax: 518.320.1557
> Be a part of Generation SUNY: Facebook<http://www.facebook.
> com/generationsuny> - Twitter<http://www.twitter.com/SUNY> - YouTube<
> http://www.youtube.com/generationsuny>
>
>
>
> From: athen-list [mailto:athen-list-bounces at mailman13.u.washington.edu]
> On Behalf Of Robert Beach
> Sent: Monday, May 22, 2017 12:31 PM
> To: Access Technology Higher Education Network <
> athen-list at u.washington.edu<mailto:athen-list at u.washington.edu>>
> Subject: Re: [Athen] Blackboard Ally and captioning
>
> Joseph,
>
> It shouldn't be your responsibility. There should be training for the
> faculty who are creating the course so they can create it accessibly from
> the beginning. That is far more efficient than letting them create it then
> you having to repurpose it to be accessible.
>
>
>
> Robert Lee Beach
> Assistive Technology Specialist
> Kansas City Kansas Community College
> 7250 State Avenue
> Kansas City, KS 66112
> Phone: 913-288-7671
> Email: rbeach at kckcc.edu<mailto:rbeach at kckcc.edu>
>
> From: athen-list [mailto:athen-list-bounces at mailman13.u.washington.edu]
> On Behalf Of Joseph Sherman
> Sent: Monday, May 22, 2017 11:25 AM
> To: Access Technology Higher Education Network <
> athen-list at u.washington.edu<mailto:athen-list at u.washington.edu>>
> Subject: Re: [Athen] Blackboard Ally and captioning
>
> Note I'm not suggesting this is a best practice or what I would prefer to
> do. However we have tens of thousands of courses, 25 campuses, and 400,000
> students. Even with hiring a bunch of staff (which I'm told is impossible),
> it's a massive task.
>
> Joseph
>
> From: athen-list [mailto:athen-list-bounces at mailman13.u.washington.edu]
> On Behalf Of Joseph Sherman
> Sent: Monday, May 22, 2017 12:17 PM
> To: Access Technology Higher Education Network <
> athen-list at u.washington.edu<mailto:athen-list at u.washington.edu>>
> Subject: Re: [Athen] Blackboard Ally and captioning
>
> Can you point to any case or DOJ complaint where documents or content in
> an closed course were required to be accessible prior to a request by an
> enrolled student? What is currently required is timely and equally
> effective access.
>
> Looking at the recent cases (note am not a practicing lawyer, and am
> describing the current situation as I understand it, not what should be the
> case):
>
> Berkeley was required to caption their open MOOCs because they were
> publicly available. Same with Harvard and MIT through EdX. Berkeley decided
> (unfortunately) to remove their MOOCs from public view to stop the lawsuit.
> If you look at any of the College accessibility resolutions, like Miami
> University, it requires WCAG AA for all public web sites and documents. It
> requires accessibility for the LMS and any similar required tools.
> http://www.d.umn.edu/~lcarlson/atteam/lawsuits.html<
> https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__www.d.
> umn.edu_-7Elcarlson_atteam_lawsuits.html&d=DwMFAg&c=
> mRWFL96tuqj9V0Jjj4h40ddo0XsmttALwKjAEOCyUjY&r=NS7sMOEYVINwm3e4REboGQG-
> NnI841o0NWYqtIwWJ4U&m=ys0trAVAVgcMYq3kE65crUQuY2dF7ClalTGfIwn87AM&s=Fzk_
> VBcQbJzescvCHLT1UwgFWUlN2Aic3TXO7mkQTB0&e=>
>
> However, for course content, students must register with Disability
> Services and receive Timely equally effective communication of curricular
> materials. As far as I know, no one has yet been required to make all
> course materials accessible from the outset for enrollment limited courses.
>
>
> Joseph Sherman
> Accessibility Specialist
> CUNY Computing & Information Services
> 395 Hudson St 6FL, 6-236
> 646-664-2167| Joseph.Sherman at cuny.edu<mailto:Joseph.Sherman at cuny.edu>
>
> From: athen-list [mailto:athen-list-bounces at mailman13.u.washington.edu]
> On Behalf Of Susan Kelmer
> Sent: Monday, May 22, 2017 12:05 PM
> To: Access Technology Higher Education Network <
> athen-list at u.washington.edu<mailto:athen-list at u.washington.edu>>
> Subject: Re: [Athen] Blackboard Ally and captioning
>
> I disagree, Joseph. At the very least, there should be a mandate in place
> that says all materials need to be accessible moving forward. Backward
> remediation of older materials can be done upon demand or on a
> well-thought-out schedule, but anything that is put up currently or in the
> future should be accessible before it is put up.
>
> You are begging for the DOJ to come in and ding you, and they will not
> accept your excuse of the time and money involved to remediate. And they
> certainly won't accept that you haven't been requiring that current and
> upcoming materials be accessible before they are released.
>
> Susan Kelmer
> Alternate Format Production Program Manager
> Disability Services
> University of Colorado Boulder
> 303-735-4836
>
>
>
> From: athen-list [mailto:athen-list-bounces at mailman13.u.washington.edu]
> On Behalf Of Joseph Sherman
> Sent: Monday, May 22, 2017 9:32 AM
> To: Access Technology Higher Education Network <
> athen-list at u.washington.edu<mailto:athen-list at u.washington.edu>>
> Subject: [Athen] Blackboard Ally and captioning
>
> Looking for thoughts: Given the current understanding that course content
> that is not public doesn't need to be accessible until an accommodation is
> requested, how are folks justifying large outlays of cash for things like
> universal captioning and Blackboard Ally? It's got to be cheaper to rush
> caption and fix for accommodations than slow caption and fix everything
> when we have thousands of courses.
>
> Ideally, I'd want and love for all content to be captioned and completely
> accessible from the start. But I can't propose spending money we don't have
> without a really good reason.
>
> Joseph
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> Message: 15
> Date: Mon, 22 May 2017 10:46:23 -0700
> From: Samantha Johns <samanj at pdx.edu>
> To: Access Technology Higher Education Network
> <athen-list at u.washington.edu>
> Subject: Re: [Athen] Blackboard Ally and captioning
> Message-ID:
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>
> Hello,Higher Ed Accessibility Lawsuits, Complaints, and Settlements
> <http://www.d.umn.edu/~lcarlson/atteam/lawsuits.html>and Cal State
> University captioning criteria which we've adopted here at Portland State
> University.
>
> Captioning Prioritization
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Per CSU policy, Executive Order 926 <http://www.calstate.edu/eo/
> EO-926.html>,
> the CSU is to make its programs, services, and activities accessible to
> students, faculty, staff, and the public, with disabilities. This includes,
> but is not limited to, multimedia programs and services as well as
> multimedia materials.
>
> Multimedia includes a combination of text, audio, still images, animation,
> or video regardless of delivery system.
>
> Since the volume of captioning needed is immense, which make full
> compliance challenging (e.g., within semester or quarter time constraints),
> it is important for campuses to decide how to provide and support
> captioning. Prioritizing this effort is critical; decisions need to be
> based on the impact towards students, faculty, staff, and the public.
> Prioritization GuidanceHigh Priority:
>
> -
>
> An accommodation is requested from a student, staff member, or other
> person who requires captioning.
> -
>
> Multimedia will be shared multiple times and/or over an extended period
> of time.
> -
>
> Multimedia is reused in new courses and newly revised segments of
> existing courses.
> -
>
> Multimedia is used in a course for more than one semester.
> -
>
> If captioning is required for one semester, the quality must be clear
> enough to allow equivalent access (defined as the ability to infer the
> meaning of whole sentences). Note that at this time, dictation software
> (e.g., YouTube automatic captioning) is not acceptable due to the
> tendency
> for errors, unless manually fixed by the content owner.
> -
>
> Multimedia is on a public facing web page (e.g. commencements or other
> public-facing streamed or recorded events, news and marketing videos).
>
> Other prioritization considerations:
>
> -
>
> Any multimedia that is purchased should be delivered in a captioned
> state. If not, the campus must ensure that captioning will be done upon
> receipt.
> -
>
> Archived materials are to be captioned upon request. Caption frequently
> requested materials.
> -
>
> If the campus cannot provide the resources or cannot support specific
> technical concerns, then captioning should be outsourced. This requires
> funding, so each campus budget must accommodate it.
> -
>
> Commencements or other public-facing events that are streamed or
> recorded, news and marketing videos may require outside services.
> -
>
> Captioning is a low priority if lecture capture is used to post a
> lecture that is a review of a face-to-face class, and will only be
> available for one semester, and you have verified that you do not have
> an
> accommodation request.
>
>
>
> Warm Regards,
>
>
>
> *Samantha Johns*
>
> (Pronouns: she, her, hers)
>
>
> *Accessible Media Coordinator*
>
> *Office of Academic Innovation*
>
>
> Portland State University
> 1825 SW Broadway
> Smith Memorial Student Union, Mezzanine 209
> Portland OR 97201
> (503) 725-2754
>
>
> Caption Badge: Universal Design for learning 2016
>
> ?The one argument for accessibility that doesn?t get made nearly often
> enough is how extraordinarily better it makes some people?s lives. How many
> opportunities do we have to dramatically improve people?s lives just by
> doing our job a little better?? ? Steve Krug
>
>
>
>
> On Mon, May 22, 2017 at 10:14 AM, Rovner, Amy <arovner at shoreline.edu>
> wrote:
>
> > I think it?s also important to note that Berkeley isn?t off the hook just
> > because they moved all that content behind a password protected wall.
> The
> > complaint hasn?t been resolved so we need to keep watching for the
> outcome.
> >
> >
> >
> > Plus ? there are quite a lot of students with learning and other
> > disabilities that do not register with their office of Disability
> Services
> > (for a whole host of reasons) and can benefit from more accessible
> online
> > content. Not to mention the benefits to all learners with captions on
> > videos, more organized content due to the use of heading/styles, etc.
> > (Universal Design!)
> >
> >
> >
> > It's a big process, it costs money, time and effort BUT it?s long overdue
> > and, as Susan mentioned ? WAY more expensive with a shorter timeline if
> you
> > end up having a complaint lodged against your organization.
> >
> >
> >
> > An advantage we all have is being part of groups like ATHEN so we can
> > share knowledge and resources to help this process move ahead on our
> > campuses. Also ? the power of our combined voices (and purchasing
> dollars)
> > is forcing change by publishers, film developers, LMs?s, etc.
> >
> >
> >
> > Best,
> >
> >
> > Amy
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Amy Rovner, MPH RD
> >
> > Instructional Designer
> >
> > Accessible IT Coordinator
> >
> > eLearning Services
> >
> > Shoreline Community College
> >
> > (206) 546-6937
> >
> > arovner at shoreline.edu
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > *From:* athen-list [mailto:athen-list-bounces at mailman13.u.washington.edu]
> *On
> > Behalf Of *Kurkjian, Nazely
> > *Sent:* Monday, May 22, 2017 9:44 AM
> >
> > *To:* Access Technology Higher Education Network <
> > athen-list at u.washington.edu>
> > *Subject:* Re: [Athen] Blackboard Ally and captioning
> >
> >
> >
> > Faculty captioning their own videos is not a reality at every campus, nor
> > do I think it should be. I do believe in shared responsibility. I think
> > institutions should be more strategic about who we work with in the
> > audio-video market, particularly with video streaming/creating vendors.
> In
> > the past few years alone, I?ve witnessed incredible trends to respond to
> > our accessibility needs. These vendors are building in automatic
> captioning
> > at several cents per min, if not for free. The accuracy is 90%+. The
> > question then is who does the accuracy clean up. I honestly believe in a
> > few years this won?t be as big of an issue as it is now.
> >
> > Additionally, I think we should get better at assessing and predicting
> the
> > amount of content we need to make accessible. How many videos are linked
> to
> > outside college versus created in house? What tools are being used to
> > create, share, etc? How many hours of video are posted in LMS?
> >
> >
> >
> > Just my thoughts.
> >
> >
> > Nazely
> >
> >
> >
> > [image: circle] <http://www.suny.edu/>
> >
> > *Nazely Kurkjian* (she, her, hers)
> > *Coordinator of Disability, Diversity, and Nontraditional Student
> Services*
> >
> > The State University of New York
> > State University Plaza - Albany, New York 12246
> > Tel: 518.445.4078 <(518)%20445-4078> Fax: 518.320.1557
> > <(518)%20320-1557>
> > *Be a part of Generation SUNY: **Facebook*
> > <http://www.facebook.com/generationsuny>* - **Twitter*
> > <http://www.twitter.com/SUNY>* - **YouTube*
> > <http://www.youtube.com/generationsuny>
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > *From:* athen-list [mailto:athen-list-bounces at mailman13.u.washington.edu
> > <athen-list-bounces at mailman13.u.washington.edu>] *On Behalf Of *Robert
> > Beach
> > *Sent:* Monday, May 22, 2017 12:31 PM
> > *To:* Access Technology Higher Education Network <
> > athen-list at u.washington.edu>
> > *Subject:* Re: [Athen] Blackboard Ally and captioning
> >
> >
> >
> > Joseph,
> >
> >
> >
> > It shouldn?t be your responsibility. There should be training for the
> > faculty who are creating the course so they can create it accessibly from
> > the beginning. That is far more efficient than letting them create it
> then
> > you having to repurpose it to be accessible.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Robert Lee Beach
> >
> > Assistive Technology Specialist
> >
> > Kansas City Kansas Community College
> >
> > 7250 State Avenue
> >
> > Kansas City, KS 66112
> >
> > Phone: 913-288-7671 <(913)%20288-7671>
> >
> > Email: rbeach at kckcc.edu
> >
> >
> >
> > *From:* athen-list [mailto:athen-list-bounces at mailman13.u.washington.edu
> > <athen-list-bounces at mailman13.u.washington.edu>] *On Behalf Of *Joseph
> > Sherman
> > *Sent:* Monday, May 22, 2017 11:25 AM
> > *To:* Access Technology Higher Education Network <
> > athen-list at u.washington.edu>
> > *Subject:* Re: [Athen] Blackboard Ally and captioning
> >
> >
> >
> > Note I?m not suggesting this is a best practice or what I would prefer to
> > do. However we have tens of thousands of courses, 25 campuses, and
> 400,000
> > students. Even with hiring a bunch of staff (which I?m told is
> impossible),
> > it?s a massive task.
> >
> >
> >
> > Joseph
> >
> >
> >
> > *From:* athen-list [mailto:athen-list-bounces at mailman13.u.washington.edu
> > <athen-list-bounces at mailman13.u.washington.edu>] *On Behalf Of *Joseph
> > Sherman
> > *Sent:* Monday, May 22, 2017 12:17 PM
> > *To:* Access Technology Higher Education Network <
> > athen-list at u.washington.edu>
> > *Subject:* Re: [Athen] Blackboard Ally and captioning
> >
> >
> >
> > Can you point to any case or DOJ complaint where documents or content in
> > an closed course were required to be accessible prior to a request by an
> > enrolled student? What is currently required is timely and equally
> > effective access.
> >
> >
> >
> > Looking at the recent cases (note am not a practicing lawyer, and am
> > describing the current situation as I understand it, not what should be
> the
> > case):
> >
> >
> >
> > Berkeley was required to caption their open MOOCs because they were
> > publicly available. Same with Harvard and MIT through EdX. Berkeley
> decided
> > (unfortunately) to remove their MOOCs from public view to stop the
> lawsuit.
> > If you look at any of the College accessibility resolutions, like Miami
> > University, it requires WCAG AA for all public web sites and documents.
> It
> > requires accessibility for the LMS and any similar required tools.
> > http://www.d.umn.edu/~lcarlson/atteam/lawsuits.html
> > <https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-
> 3A__www.d.umn.edu_-7Elcarlson_atteam_lawsuits.html&d=DwMFAg&c=
> mRWFL96tuqj9V0Jjj4h40ddo0XsmttALwKjAEOCyUjY&r=NS7sMOEYVINwm3e4REboGQG-
> NnI841o0NWYqtIwWJ4U&m=ys0trAVAVgcMYq3kE65crUQuY2dF7ClalTGfIwn87AM&s=Fzk_
> VBcQbJzescvCHLT1UwgFWUlN2Aic3TXO7mkQTB0&e=>
> >
> >
> >
> > However, for course content, students must register with Disability
> > Services and receive Timely equally effective communication of curricular
> > materials. As far as I know, no one has yet been required to make all
> > course materials accessible from the outset for enrollment limited
> courses.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Joseph Sherman
> > Accessibility Specialist
> > CUNY Computing & Information Services
> > 395 Hudson St 6FL, 6-236
> > *646-664-2167 <(646)%20664-2167>| **Joseph.Sherman at cuny.edu*
> > <Joseph.Sherman at cuny.edu>
> >
> >
> >
> > *From:* athen-list [mailto:athen-list-bounces at mailman13.u.washington.edu
> > <athen-list-bounces at mailman13.u.washington.edu>] *On Behalf Of *Susan
> > Kelmer
> > *Sent:* Monday, May 22, 2017 12:05 PM
> > *To:* Access Technology Higher Education Network <
> > athen-list at u.washington.edu>
> > *Subject:* Re: [Athen] Blackboard Ally and captioning
> >
> >
> >
> > I disagree, Joseph. At the very least, there should be a mandate in
> place
> > that says all materials need to be accessible moving forward. Backward
> > remediation of older materials can be done upon demand or on a
> > well-thought-out schedule, but anything that is put up currently or in
> the
> > future should be accessible before it is put up.
> >
> >
> >
> > You are begging for the DOJ to come in and ding you, and they will not
> > accept your excuse of the time and money involved to remediate. And they
> > certainly won?t accept that you haven?t been requiring that current and
> > upcoming materials be accessible before they are released.
> >
> >
> >
> > *Susan Kelmer*
> >
> > *Alternate Format Production Program Manager*
> >
> > *Disability Services*
> >
> > *University of Colorado Boulder*
> >
> > *303-735-4836 <(303)%20735-4836>*
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > *From:* athen-list [mailto:athen-list-bounces at mailman13.u.washington.edu
> > <athen-list-bounces at mailman13.u.washington.edu>] *On Behalf Of *Joseph
> > Sherman
> > *Sent:* Monday, May 22, 2017 9:32 AM
> > *To:* Access Technology Higher Education Network <
> > athen-list at u.washington.edu>
> > *Subject:* [Athen] Blackboard Ally and captioning
> >
> >
> >
> > Looking for thoughts: Given the current understanding that course content
> > that is not public doesn?t need to be accessible until an accommodation
> is
> > requested, how are folks justifying large outlays of cash for things like
> > universal captioning and Blackboard Ally? It?s got to be cheaper to rush
> > caption and fix for accommodations than slow caption and fix everything
> > when we have thousands of courses.
> >
> >
> >
> > Ideally, I?d want and love for all content to be captioned and completely
> > accessible from the start. But I can?t propose spending money we don?t
> have
> > without a really good reason.
> >
> >
> >
> > Joseph
> >
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > athen-list mailing list
> > athen-list at mailman13.u.washington.edu
> > http://mailman13.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/athen-list
> >
> >
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