[Athen] athen-list Digest, Vol 155, Issue 6
Adina Mulliken
am2621 at hunter.cuny.edu
Wed Dec 12 12:49:52 PST 2018
I agree with Robert Beach that I thought there was no need to use a style because when I had tried reading MS Word styles with Jaws a few years ago, the only styles that Jaws read by default were the headings. I was able to change my settings in Jaws to make it ready all the styles, but many of the blind students I meet are not very advanced screen reader users. There are people on the list much more experienced than me and I appreciate anyone's information if this isn't correct, but it seems very unlikely to me that many screen reader users would change those settings.
On a related note that doesn't exactly address your question, a librarian who has more technical accessibility expertise than me had advice that I liked regarding accessibility and citation style. Since some citation styles such as APA require you to list the url, but accessibility guidelines advise meaningful link text, she suggested making the title the link, as you planned to do, and also including the url. However that was for a bibliography, where there's an argument that having the url text preserved over time is important. For a syllabus, I think it would be better to leave out the url text so it isn't extra clutter for everyone, especially blind users, because if the url is broken the professor is going to need to figure out what to do about that anyway; you don't have to preserve the url text for the potential that the document was printed and someone needs the url for historical record. I'm bringing this up as a consideration if any sticklers for citation style think the syllabus should have to follow citation style, which it does not sound like you've run into. (I'm always interested in citation style and accessibility, if anyone has other thoughts or points of view about that.)
Adina Mulliken
Assistant Professor, Librarian
Social Work and Public Health Library
Hunter College, CUNY
Phone: 212-396-7665
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1. Book titles that are also hyperlinks (Christine Robinson)
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4. Re: Book titles that are also hyperlinks (Samantha Johns)
5. Re: Book titles that are also hyperlinks (Christine Robinson)
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Subject: [Athen] Book titles that are also hyperlinks
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In their syllabi, many of our faculty members want to turn their textbook titles into hyperlinks - to websites such as Amazon, where the students can buy the book.
We use MS Word documents for our syllabi. What's the best way of making these book-title/hyperlinks accessible?
My best guess is to use MS Word's Book Title style, and then make the text of the book title into a hyperlink.
For example, Disability Studies: An Interdisciplinary Introduction<https://www.amazon.com/Disability-Studies-Interdisciplinary-Introduction-Second/dp/1446280683/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1544639607&sr=8-1&keywords=Disability+Studies%3A+An+Interdisciplinary+Introduction>
Would a screen reader identify that as both a book title and a hyperlink?
Is there a better way to do it?
Thanks,
Chris
Christine Robinson | Technical Trainer/Writer | Center for Teaching Excellence
Georgia Gwinnett College | 1000 University Center Lane| Lawrenceville, GA 30043
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I would simply select the text of the title and make it a link. I don't see any reason for marking it with a title style.
Robert Lee Beach
Assistive Technology Specialist
Kansas City Kansas Community College
7250 State Avenue
Kansas City, KS 66112
Phone: 913-288-7671
Email: rbeach at kckcc.edu<mailto:rbeach at kckcc.edu>
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Subject: [Athen] Book titles that are also hyperlinks
In their syllabi, many of our faculty members want to turn their textbook titles into hyperlinks - to websites such as Amazon, where the students can buy the book.
We use MS Word documents for our syllabi. What's the best way of making these book-title/hyperlinks accessible?
My best guess is to use MS Word's Book Title style, and then make the text of the book title into a hyperlink.
For example, Disability Studies: An Interdisciplinary Introduction<https://www.amazon.com/Disability-Studies-Interdisciplinary-Introduction-Second/dp/1446280683/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1544639607&sr=8-1&keywords=Disability+Studies%3A+An+Interdisciplinary+Introduction>
Would a screen reader identify that as both a book title and a hyperlink?
Is there a better way to do it?
Thanks,
Chris
Christine Robinson | Technical Trainer/Writer | Center for Teaching Excellence
Georgia Gwinnett College | 1000 University Center Lane| Lawrenceville, GA 30043
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Subject: Re: [Athen] Book titles that are also hyperlinks
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Hello,
I would suggest only hyperlinking to the a descriptive link of the title of
the book, as you like APA etc.
and for print purposes include the hyperlink text but do not make it
clickable.
See example:
Fundamentals of Financial Accounting W/ Connect Plus, Phillips, Libby &
Libby, 5th edition
<https://www.amazon.com/Fundamentals-Financial-Accounting-Associate-Professor/dp/0078025915>
ISBN: 9781259721908,
https://www.amazon.com/Fundamentals-Financial-Accounting-Associate-Professor/dp/0078025915
Warm Regards,
*Samantha Johns, M.S.*
(Pronouns: she, her, hers)
*Accessible Media Coordinator*
*Office of Academic Innovation*
Portland State University
1825 SW Broadway
Smith Memorial Student Union, Mezzanine 209
Portland OR 97201
(503) 725-2754
Caption Badge: Universal Design for learning 2016
?The one argument for accessibility that doesn?t get made nearly often
enough is how extraordinarily better it makes some people?s lives. How many
opportunities do we have to dramatically improve people?s lives just by
doing our job a little better?? ? Steve Krug
On Wed, Dec 12, 2018 at 10:54 AM Robert Beach <rbeach at kckcc.edu> wrote:
> I would simply select the text of the title and make it a link. I don?t
> see any reason for marking it with a title style.
>
>
>
>
>
> Robert Lee Beach
>
> Assistive Technology Specialist
>
> Kansas City Kansas Community College
>
> 7250 State Avenue
>
> Kansas City, KS 66112
>
> Phone: 913-288-7671
>
> Email: rbeach at kckcc.edu
>
>
>
> *From:* athen-list <athen-list-bounces at mailman12.u.washington.edu> *On
> Behalf Of *Christine Robinson
> *Sent:* Wednesday, December 12, 2018 12:40 PM
> *To:* Access Technology Higher Education Network <
> athen-list at u.washington.edu>
> *Subject:* [Athen] Book titles that are also hyperlinks
>
>
>
> In their syllabi, many of our faculty members want to turn their textbook
> titles into hyperlinks - to websites such as Amazon, where the students can
> buy the book.
>
>
>
> We use MS Word documents for our syllabi. What?s the best way of making
> these book-title/hyperlinks accessible?
>
>
>
> My best guess is to use MS Word?s Book Title style, and then make the text
> of the book title into a hyperlink.
>
> For example, Disability Studies: An Interdisciplinary Introduction
> <https://www.amazon.com/Disability-Studies-Interdisciplinary-Introduction-Second/dp/1446280683/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1544639607&sr=8-1&keywords=Disability+Studies%3A+An+Interdisciplinary+Introduction>
>
> Would a screen reader identify that as both a book title and a hyperlink?
>
> Is there a better way to do it?
>
>
>
> Thanks,
>
> Chris
>
>
>
> *Christine Robinson* | Technical Trainer/Writer | Center for Teaching
> Excellence
>
> *Georgia Gwinnett College* | 1000 University Center Lane| Lawrenceville,
> GA 30043
>
>
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From: Samantha Johns <samanj at pdx.edu>
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Looks like Google made that automatically clickable but in MS Word it will
not.
Fundamentals of Financial Accounting W/ Connect Plus, Phillips, Libby &
Libby, 5th edition
<https://www.amazon.com/Fundamentals-Financial-Accounting-Associate-Professor/dp/0078025915>
ISBN: 9781259721908,
https://www.amazon.com/Fundamentals-Financial-Accounting-Associate-Professor/dp/0078025915
Warm Regards,
*Samantha Johns, M.S.*
(Pronouns: she, her, hers)
*Accessible Media Coordinator*
*Office of Academic Innovation*
Portland State University
1825 SW Broadway
Smith Memorial Student Union, Mezzanine 209
Portland OR 97201
(503) 725-2754
Caption Badge: Universal Design for learning 2016
?The one argument for accessibility that doesn?t get made nearly often
enough is how extraordinarily better it makes some people?s lives. How many
opportunities do we have to dramatically improve people?s lives just by
doing our job a little better?? ? Steve Krug
On Wed, Dec 12, 2018 at 11:07 AM Samantha Johns <samanj at pdx.edu> wrote:
> Hello,
>
> I would suggest only hyperlinking to the a descriptive link of the title
> of the book, as you like APA etc.
> and for print purposes include the hyperlink text but do not make it
> clickable.
>
> See example:
>
> Fundamentals of Financial Accounting W/ Connect Plus, Phillips, Libby &
> Libby, 5th edition
> <https://www.amazon.com/Fundamentals-Financial-Accounting-Associate-Professor/dp/0078025915>
>
>
> ISBN: 9781259721908,
> https://www.amazon.com/Fundamentals-Financial-Accounting-Associate-Professor/dp/0078025915
>
>
>
> Warm Regards,
>
>
>
> *Samantha Johns, M.S.*
>
> (Pronouns: she, her, hers)
>
> *Accessible Media Coordinator*
>
> *Office of Academic Innovation*
>
>
> Portland State University
> 1825 SW Broadway
> Smith Memorial Student Union, Mezzanine 209
> Portland OR 97201
> (503) 725-2754
>
>
> Caption Badge: Universal Design for learning 2016
>
> ?The one argument for accessibility that doesn?t get made nearly often
> enough is how extraordinarily better it makes some people?s lives. How many
> opportunities do we have to dramatically improve people?s lives just by
> doing our job a little better?? ? Steve Krug
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On Wed, Dec 12, 2018 at 10:54 AM Robert Beach <rbeach at kckcc.edu> wrote:
>
>> I would simply select the text of the title and make it a link. I don?t
>> see any reason for marking it with a title style.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Robert Lee Beach
>>
>> Assistive Technology Specialist
>>
>> Kansas City Kansas Community College
>>
>> 7250 State Avenue
>>
>> Kansas City, KS 66112
>>
>> Phone: 913-288-7671
>>
>> Email: rbeach at kckcc.edu
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* athen-list <athen-list-bounces at mailman12.u.washington.edu> *On
>> Behalf Of *Christine Robinson
>> *Sent:* Wednesday, December 12, 2018 12:40 PM
>> *To:* Access Technology Higher Education Network <
>> athen-list at u.washington.edu>
>> *Subject:* [Athen] Book titles that are also hyperlinks
>>
>>
>>
>> In their syllabi, many of our faculty members want to turn their textbook
>> titles into hyperlinks - to websites such as Amazon, where the students can
>> buy the book.
>>
>>
>>
>> We use MS Word documents for our syllabi. What?s the best way of making
>> these book-title/hyperlinks accessible?
>>
>>
>>
>> My best guess is to use MS Word?s Book Title style, and then make the
>> text of the book title into a hyperlink.
>>
>> For example, Disability Studies: An Interdisciplinary Introduction
>> <https://www.amazon.com/Disability-Studies-Interdisciplinary-Introduction-Second/dp/1446280683/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1544639607&sr=8-1&keywords=Disability+Studies%3A+An+Interdisciplinary+Introduction>
>>
>> Would a screen reader identify that as both a book title and a hyperlink?
>>
>> Is there a better way to do it?
>>
>>
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> Chris
>>
>>
>>
>> *Christine Robinson* | Technical Trainer/Writer | Center for Teaching
>> Excellence
>>
>> *Georgia Gwinnett College* | 1000 University Center Lane| Lawrenceville,
>> GA 30043
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> athen-list mailing list
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Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2018 19:29:59 +0000
From: Christine Robinson <crobinson at ggc.edu>
To: Access Technology Higher Education Network
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Subject: Re: [Athen] Book titles that are also hyperlinks
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As to MS Word turning URLs into hyperlinks:
I think by default, MS Word does automatically turn URLs into hyperlinks, although you can change that in your settings.
Also, once it has turned something into a hyperlink, you can right-click to remove the hyperlink.
Christine Robinson | Technical Trainer/Writer | Center for Teaching Excellence
Georgia Gwinnett College | 1000 University Center Lane| Lawrenceville, GA 30043
From: athen-list [mailto:athen-list-bounces at mailman12.u.washington.edu] On Behalf Of Samantha Johns
Sent: Wednesday, December 12, 2018 2:09 PM
To: Access Technology Higher Education Network <athen-list at u.washington.edu>
Subject: Re: [Athen] Book titles that are also hyperlinks
Looks like Google made that automatically clickable but in MS Word it will not.
Fundamentals of Financial Accounting W/ Connect Plus, Phillips, Libby & Libby, 5th edition <https://www.amazon.com/Fundamentals-Financial-Accounting-Associate-Professor/dp/0078025915>
ISBN: 9781259721908, https://www.amazon.com/Fundamentals-Financial-Accounting-Associate-Professor/dp/0078025915
Warm Regards,
Samantha Johns, M.S.
(Pronouns: she, her, hers)
Accessible Media Coordinator
Office of Academic Innovation
Portland State University
1825 SW Broadway
Smith Memorial Student Union, Mezzanine 209
Portland OR 97201
(503) 725-2754
[https://docs.google.com/uc?export=download&id=0B5rT_cYNvyAzYWxVdDFKSGxKZDg&revid=0B5rT_cYNvyAzak42WDBqQ0lTMlFBTHJLSmpvakJteVBmMHNVPQ]
Caption Badge: Universal Design for learning 2016
?The one argument for accessibility that doesn?t get made nearly often enough is how extraordinarily better it makes some people?s lives. How many opportunities do we have to dramatically improve people?s lives just by doing our job a little better?? ? Steve Krug
On Wed, Dec 12, 2018 at 11:07 AM Samantha Johns <samanj at pdx.edu<mailto:samanj at pdx.edu>> wrote:
Hello,
I would suggest only hyperlinking to the a descriptive link of the title of the book, as you like APA etc.
and for print purposes include the hyperlink text but do not make it clickable.
See example:
Fundamentals of Financial Accounting W/ Connect Plus, Phillips, Libby & Libby, 5th edition <https://www.amazon.com/Fundamentals-Financial-Accounting-Associate-Professor/dp/0078025915>
ISBN: 9781259721908, https://www.amazon.com/Fundamentals-Financial-Accounting-Associate-Professor/dp/0078025915
Warm Regards,
Samantha Johns, M.S.
(Pronouns: she, her, hers)
Accessible Media Coordinator
Office of Academic Innovation
Portland State University
1825 SW Broadway
Smith Memorial Student Union, Mezzanine 209
Portland OR 97201
(503) 725-2754
[https://docs.google.com/uc?export=download&id=0B5rT_cYNvyAzYWxVdDFKSGxKZDg&revid=0B5rT_cYNvyAzak42WDBqQ0lTMlFBTHJLSmpvakJteVBmMHNVPQ]
Caption Badge: Universal Design for learning 2016
?The one argument for accessibility that doesn?t get made nearly often enough is how extraordinarily better it makes some people?s lives. How many opportunities do we have to dramatically improve people?s lives just by doing our job a little better?? ? Steve Krug
On Wed, Dec 12, 2018 at 10:54 AM Robert Beach <rbeach at kckcc.edu<mailto:rbeach at kckcc.edu>> wrote:
I would simply select the text of the title and make it a link. I don?t see any reason for marking it with a title style.
Robert Lee Beach
Assistive Technology Specialist
Kansas City Kansas Community College
7250 State Avenue
Kansas City, KS 66112
Phone: 913-288-7671
Email: rbeach at kckcc.edu<mailto:rbeach at kckcc.edu>
From: athen-list <athen-list-bounces at mailman12.u.washington.edu<mailto:athen-list-bounces at mailman12.u.washington.edu>> On Behalf Of Christine Robinson
Sent: Wednesday, December 12, 2018 12:40 PM
To: Access Technology Higher Education Network <athen-list at u.washington.edu<mailto:athen-list at u.washington.edu>>
Subject: [Athen] Book titles that are also hyperlinks
In their syllabi, many of our faculty members want to turn their textbook titles into hyperlinks - to websites such as Amazon, where the students can buy the book.
We use MS Word documents for our syllabi. What?s the best way of making these book-title/hyperlinks accessible?
My best guess is to use MS Word?s Book Title style, and then make the text of the book title into a hyperlink.
For example, Disability Studies: An Interdisciplinary Introduction<https://www.amazon.com/Disability-Studies-Interdisciplinary-Introduction-Second/dp/1446280683/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1544639607&sr=8-1&keywords=Disability+Studies%3A+An+Interdisciplinary+Introduction>
Would a screen reader identify that as both a book title and a hyperlink?
Is there a better way to do it?
Thanks,
Chris
Christine Robinson | Technical Trainer/Writer | Center for Teaching Excellence
Georgia Gwinnett College | 1000 University Center Lane| Lawrenceville, GA 30043
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