[Athen] athen-list Digest, Vol 146, Issue 5
Lynn Gitlow
lynngitlow at gmail.com
Thu Mar 8 06:02:35 PST 2018
This is a complicated question with no one size fits all answer but here is a great resource for senior technology use
http://www.seniornet.org/
Lynn Gitlow, PhD., OTR/L, ATP
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> 1. technology for seniors (Tess McMillan)
> 2. Re: technology for seniors (Andrea L. Dietrich)
> 3. Re: technology for seniors (Jeffrey Dell)
> 4. Re: technology for seniors (Shelley Haven)
> 5. Volunteers needed! (Robert Beach)
> 6. Re: Agenda for March 7 ATHEN-MICROSOFT Meeting (Fermin, German)
> 7. Survey Study: Digital Accessibility in Higher Education -
> Participation Requested! (Deaton, Phillip)
> 8. Re: The Ribbon in Microsoft Word (Robert Spangler)
> 9. Re: Agenda for March 7 ATHEN-MICROSOFT Meeting
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> 10. Office 2016 (Mac) powerpoint accessibility (Krista Greear)
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> Date: Tue, 6 Mar 2018 20:22:32 +0000
> From: Tess McMillan <tess.mcmillan at bellevuecollege.edu>
> To: "athen-list at u.washington.edu" <athen-list at u.washington.edu>
> Subject: [Athen] technology for seniors
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> I realize this may be off-topic and possibly a duplicate query for all of
> you as I cross-posted to ITAccess/Educause.
>
> Can you recommend technologies that seniors can use to stay in contact?
>
> For example, if there might be vision issues (such as reduced visual field
> due to macular degeneration) combined with some memory issues ? making
> navigating a complex email client difficult?
>
> Or, best practices for cell phones or text messaging for clumsy fingers?
>
> Thank you!
>
> Tess
>
>
> Tess McMillan
> Web site Manager, Student Programs, Bellevue College
> bellevuecollege.edu/stupro <http://bellevuecollege.edu/stupro> and
> bellevuecollege.edu/PALS <http://bellevuecollege.edu/PALS>
> (425) 564-5084
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> From: "Andrea L. Dietrich" <adietrich at cornell.edu>
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> Subject: Re: [Athen] technology for seniors
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> I know there's a phone company targeted at seniors, https://www.greatcall.com/. They make simple phones with large text and accessibility features, from what I understand. I don't know much about them, but maybe they would be a helpful place to look.
>
> -Andi :)
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> Cornell University
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> From: athen-list [mailto:athen-list-bounces at mailman13.u.washington.edu] On Behalf Of Tess McMillan
> Sent: Tuesday, March 06, 2018 3:23 PM
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> Subject: [Athen] technology for seniors
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> I realize this may be off-topic and possibly a duplicate query for all of you as I cross-posted to ITAccess/Educause.
>
> Can you recommend technologies that seniors can use to stay in contact?
>
> For example, if there might be vision issues (such as reduced visual field due to macular degeneration) combined with some memory issues < making navigating a complex email client difficult?
>
> Or, best practices for cell phones or text messaging for clumsy fingers?
>
> Thank you!
>
> Tess
>
>
> Tess McMillan
> Web site Manager, Student Programs, Bellevue College
> bellevuecollege.edu/stupro <http://bellevuecollege.edu/stupro> and
> bellevuecollege.edu/PALS <http://bellevuecollege.edu/PALS>
> (425) 564-5084
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> Date: Tue, 6 Mar 2018 16:46:42 -0500
> From: Jeffrey Dell <jeffreydell99 at gmail.com>
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> Subject: Re: [Athen] technology for seniors
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> This is a solution I saw along time ago. Sounds like it might do some of what you?re looking for.
> Guide by Dolphin
> https://yourdolphin.com/guide
> Jeff
>
> Sent from my iPhone. please excuse errors from using Apple's dictation feature.
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>> On Mar 6, 2018, at 3:22 PM, Tess McMillan <tess.mcmillan at bellevuecollege.edu> wrote:
>>
>> I realize this may be off-topic and possibly a duplicate query for all of
>> you as I cross-posted to ITAccess/Educause.
>>
>> Can you recommend technologies that seniors can use to stay in contact?
>>
>> For example, if there might be vision issues (such as reduced visual field
>> due to macular degeneration) combined with some memory issues ? making
>> navigating a complex email client difficult?
>>
>> Or, best practices for cell phones or text messaging for clumsy fingers?
>>
>> Thank you!
>>
>> Tess
>>
>>
>> Tess McMillan
>> Web site Manager, Student Programs, Bellevue College
>> bellevuecollege.edu/stupro <http://bellevuecollege.edu/stupro> and
>> bellevuecollege.edu/PALS <http://bellevuecollege.edu/PALS>
>> (425) 564-5084
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> From: Shelley Haven <ShelleyHaven at techpotential.net>
> To: ATHEN <athen-list at u.washington.edu>
> Subject: Re: [Athen] technology for seniors
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> For seniors who need a simplified computer interface, simplified interface for commonly-used software (email, contacts, audio/video chat, photos, news, games, etc.), and alternative access (touchscreen, mouse alternative, etc.), consider these options:
>
> https://www.redstampmail.com <https://www.redstampmail.com/>
> http://www.eldy.eu <http://www.eldy.eu/>
> http://pawpawmail.com <http://pawpawmail.com/>
> http://www.pointerware.com <http://www.pointerware.com/>
> https://seeyoulink.com <https://seeyoulink.com/>
>
> I've tried all but the last one with senior clients ? they have their various pros and cons. Most have a ?monitor? mode where another adult can remotely keep track of the senior?s activities and even provide assistance.
>
> I?ve also used a MacBook in Simple Finder mode with a senior client, and added a remote assistance app (Join.Me, Zoom, etc.) so that I could assist and train their caregivers as needed.
>
> Some companies have specifically adapted computers for easier use by seniors ? for example:
> https://www.mywowcomputer.com
> http://www.aplusseniorcomputer.com/touch%20screen.htm
> I?m sure there are others out there, too, as well as companies who have adapted Android tablets, etc.
>
> Hope this helps,
> Shelley
>
> _____________________________
> Shelley Haven ATP, RET
> Assistive Technology Consultant
> www.TechPotential.net
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>> On Mar 6, 2018, at 1:22 PM, Tess McMillan <tess.mcmillan at bellevuecollege.edu> wrote:
>>
>> I realize this may be off-topic and possibly a duplicate query for all of
>> you as I cross-posted to ITAccess/Educause.
>>
>> Can you recommend technologies that seniors can use to stay in contact?
>>
>> For example, if there might be vision issues (such as reduced visual field
>> due to macular degeneration) combined with some memory issues ? making
>> navigating a complex email client difficult?
>>
>> Or, best practices for cell phones or text messaging for clumsy fingers?
>>
>> Thank you!
>>
>> Tess
>>
>>
>> Tess McMillan
>> Web site Manager, Student Programs, Bellevue College
>> bellevuecollege.edu/stupro <http://bellevuecollege.edu/stupro> and
>> bellevuecollege.edu/PALS <http://bellevuecollege.edu/PALS>
>> (425) 564-5084
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> From: Robert Beach <rbeach at KCKCC.EDU>
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> Subject: [Athen] Volunteers needed!
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> Hello ATHEN members,
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> Once again ATHEN is working on the Teresa Haven Scholarship for Students with Disabilities. We will need folks to review applications and make recommendations for the students who apply. This process will take place from April 9 through April 20.
>
> I have a couple of folks who signed up at the ATHEN meeting in November. If you are an ATHEN member in good standing, would have time and could volunteer to help with this, please send me an email at rbeach at kckcc.edu<mailto:rbeach at kckcc.edu> so I can get your name on the list. Feel free to contact me with any questions.
>
> Also, don't forget to nominate your outstanding students!
>
> Thank you for your willingness to assist.
>
>
> Robert Lee Beach
> Assistive Technology Specialist
> Kansas City Kansas Community College
> 7250 State Avenue
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> I'm interspersing my comments within the questions. Although I must say that since I am at a helpdesk for a College and I have been supporting ribbons for a number of years now, the complexity is not "perception", it is indeed much harder than it needs to be. Hopefully all this feedback will help.
>
> When using CTRL +F6 to navigate to the "ribbon" UI surface, do you expect to land on (a) File, (b) Home, or (c) the active tab?
> Feedback:
> I would expect for it to land on File. This brings is consistency to the experience. Always good to have one starting point less confusing to have a consistent starting point.
>
> 1. Do you expect the "ribbon" UI surface to be organized as:
> a. File, tabs, peripheral controls, and lower ribbon to be 1 UI surface
> b. File, tabs, and peripheral controls to be 1 UI surface and the lower ribbon to be another UI surface
> c. File, tabs, and lower ribbon to be 1 UI surface and the peripheral controls to be another UI surface
> d. File and peripheral controls to be 1 UI surface and tabs and lower ribbon to be another UI surface
> Feedback:
> Closest would be A. Keep it consistent. It is too easy to get lost in the dizzying amount of differing options that could be navigated to within both Word and outlook. If it gets broken up into smaller amounts of groups and not so many subcategories, easier on the brain. Quicker to get from point A to point B rather then worrying about which ribbon I'm in and having to remember that the lower ribbon may have other options that I may or may not need. I would much rather drill down to get somewhere linearly than tabbing through 100 controls in order to get to that one thing I need to change.
>
>
> Ribbon
> Upper Ribbon
> Note: From left to right, there are 3 clusters of controls:
> * File
> * Tabs (i.e. Home, Insert, Layout, Review, View)
> * Peripheral controls (i.e. Tell me, Edit in Word, and Share)
> 1. When focus is on the File button, does arrow right (a) take you to Home or (b) stay on File?
> Feedback:
> Stay on file because that is a button and not a tab. A button is to be pressed to activate a function. In this case we have File tab buttons. That's confusing. Which is it?
>
> 2. When focus is on the File button, does arrow left (a) take you to Share or (b) stay on File?
> Feedback:
> I would expect for it to go to another button. Just like if I was navigating through tabs, I would expect for it to go to another tab.
>
> 3. When moving focus to a different tab, does it (a) activate the tab, or (b) put focus on the tab but don't activate it?
> Feedback:
> A. If I move focus to another tab, I expect focus to be there as well. I may not do anything within that tab but if I'm focused in a tab, I want to be able to make changes in that now focus and active tab.
>
> 4. When focus in on the Home Tab, does arrow left take you to (a) File, (b) View, (c) Share, or (d) keep you on the Home Tab?
> Feedback:
> If I hit left arrow, I expect to cycle through the different tabs within that level. Just like if I went with the right arrow.
>
> 5. When focus is on the View Tab, does arrow right take you to (a) Tell me, (b) File, (c) Home, or (d) keep you on the View Tab?
> Feedback:
> Same as above. I expect to go to the next tab. Tell me still appears to be a keyboard trap for me.
>
> 6. Does Tab (a) take you through each item in the upper ribbon, (b) to the first item in each cluster (i.e. File, Tabs, Peripheral controls), or (c) to the lower ribbon?
> Feedback:
> Currently it seems like it does a mixture of all three. I would align closest to B. If I use tab, I expect to hit the controls that are in the tab I selected/activated.
>
> 7. Does Shift + Tab (a) take you through each item in reverse order, (b) to the first item in each group (i.e. File, Tabs, Peripheral controls), (c) to the last item of each group, or (d) to the last visited item in each group?
> Feedback:
> Shift+tab should take you through the reverse order of the tab you are in within the same level. If this is a different experience going backwards, that's just confusing. If I start having different experiences depending on which direction I'm going in, that makes it conditional and leaving it up to the user to remember. Also, if the experiences changes like that, I would imagine that it would be also hard to update since it's conditional on the programming side. I'm others can speak to this.
>
> 8. When focus is on a Tab header, does down arrow (a) take you to the first item in the lower ribbon, (b) take you to the item directly below the tab, or (c) do nothing?
> Feedback:
> To keep it consistent, tab would go to the first item associated with that tab header. So C in this case.
>
> 9. When focus is on a Tab header, does down up (a) take you to the first item in the lower ribbon, (b) take you to the item directly below the tab, or (c) do nothing?
> Feedback:
> To keep it consistent, same as above. If you are on tab headers and you hit up arrow, it should do nothing.
>
> Lower Ribbon
> Note: The lower ribbon is made up of groups (aka chunks) and each group contains items (aka controls). It is possible to have a lower ribbon with 1 group.
> 1. Does Tab (a) take you through each item or (b) to the first item in each group?
> Feedback:
> Take you through each item in each group. Whether they are groups or tabs, the experience should remain the same.
>
> 2. Does Shift + Tab (a) take you through each item in reverse order, (b) to the first item in each group, (c) to the last item of each group, or (d) to the last visited item in each group?
> Feedback:
> Take you through items in reverse order. The rest of the choices add layers of confusion.
>
> 3. Regardless of your answers for #1 and #2, does Tab and Shift-Tab (a) loop through only the lower ribbon, (b) loop through the lower ribbon and tab headers, or (c) does not loop?
> Feedback:
> It should loop within the chosen tab.
>
> 4. Does CTRL + left/right arrow (a) jump you through each group, with respect to the arrow direction or (b) do nothing?
> Feedback:
> I would choose A but what is exactly is the difference between
> a group from a tab? Is the experience suppose to be different? Is control+left or right arrow suppose to replace control+tab and shift tab?
>
> 5. If you selected "A" for #4, does CTRL + left/right arrow (a) loop through the lower ribbon or (b) does not loop?
> Feedback:
> If control+left or right arrow for navigating through groups, it should loop through the groups, not the items within the group. That should be reserved for tabbing.
>
> 6. Do you expect to be able to arrow through all controls in the lower ribbon, meaning: Does reaching the end of a ribbon group via arrow left/right (a) stay on the item, (b) take you to the next group, (c) loop you in the current group, or (d) take you to the active tab?
> Feedback:
> If I am at the end of the items and I tab, I expect to loop within that section. Taking to the next tab is only going to confuse me. I choose C.
>
> 7. Does arrow up (a) take you to the active tab header or (b) nothing?
> 8. Does arrow down (a) take you to the active tab header or (b) nothing?
> Feedback:
> Nothing on both of these. Although I think this is worth talking through. Problem with this is I never remember which key I am suppose to use for navigating or activating things.
>
> Menus
> Menu items only
> 1. Does reaching the end of a menu via up/down arrow and then hitting the same arrow again (a) stay on the item or (b) loop to the other end?
> Feedback:
> Loop to the other end. I always expect that and if I don't get that I get confused and start second guessing thinking that perhaps I missed something.
>
> Menu items + submenus
> 1. Does Alt within a submenu (a) dismisses the whole chain or (b) only one level at a time?
> Feedback:
> Dismiss the whole chain. I guess I'm so use to hitting alt to get to a menu or out of them. To me it has always been like a toggle. Alt to activate the menu and alt to be out of that menu.
>
> 2. Does Esc within a submenu (a) dismisses the whole chain or (b) only one level at a time?
> Feedback:
> Escapes at the moment seems to go back one level at a time in some cases. If it did that consistently, it would make sense.
>
> Menu items + combo boxes/spinners/checkboxes
> 1. Does hitting Enter when focus is on a combo box, spinner, or checkbox in the menu (a) close the menu or (b) keep it open with focus still on the control?
> Feedback:
> It would really depend on what actions were available. If only one action can be performed within that combo box I would expect for it to be closed. I would closest align with A. Although, I want focus to remain just in case I want to confirm my changes.
>
> 2. Does hitting Enter when focus is on a combo box, spinner, or checkbox in the submenu (a) close the submenu or (b) keep it open with focus still on the control?
> Feedback:
> Same as above. IS this the same question or am I missing something?
>
> 3. Does typing a new value in a combo box or spinner and then hitting Tab (a) save the new value or (b) reset it?
> Feedback:
> Strongly align with A. Resetting it after tabbing could only be compared to a nightmare. If a screen reader can only focus on one thing at a time, resetting the values would only add another layer of complexity. If I'm following instructions from a web page and I have cycle through the windows after following the instructions... Resetting, reading, resetting, reading etc.
>
> Menu items + menu sections
> 1. Does Tab (a) take you through each menu item or (b) to the first item in each menu section?
> Feedback:
> Traditionally, if I'm traveling through menu's, I am using arrow keys and not tabbing through them. If I start tabbing, in my mind it is no longer a menu but a tab.
>
> 2. Does Shift + Tab (a) take you through each menu item in reverse order, (b) to the first item in each menu section, (c) to the last item of each menu section, or (d) to the last visited item in each menu section?
> Same as above. If I am tabbing, it's not a menu.
>
> 3. Does reaching the end of a menu section via arrow up/down (a) stay on the item, (b) take you to the next menu section, or (c) loop you in the current menu section?
> Loop in the current menu section.
>
> Menu items + grid
> Note: All "last visited" indices are reset when the menu is closed.
> 1. Does entering grid G1 with Down Arrow from a menu item enter G1 at (a) index 0,0 or (b) a different index, please specify?
> Feedback:
> Like most things, I would like consistency and one starting point. If I enter a grid, I expect to start from the same place giving the option of moving to where I need to be, go or change within that grid menu or tab. So index 0,0
>
> 2. Does entering grid G1 with Down Arrow from grid G2 enter G1 at (a) index 0,0, (b) at the same/closest column index as your position in G2, or (c) a different index, please specify?
> Feedback:
> I would keep this consistent. If I am in a new grid, I would like to start from the same position every time. That gives me the option to navigate where I need to go. Less of a burden on the brain.
>
> 3. 1Does entering grid G1 with Up Arrow from a menu item enter G1 (a) in last column of the last row or (b) a different index, please specify?
> Feedback:
> This is counter intuitive. Do I go up to the bottom of a grid? Using the down arrow key feels more like a logical direction to me to go into something. Would I go up the stairs to go down into a room? At least not in one fluid motion. Perhaps others miles may vary in this experience.
>
> 4. Does entering grid G1 with Down Arrow from grid G2 enter G1 (a) in the last column of the last row, (b) at the same/closest column index as your position in G2 in the last row of G1, or (c) a different index, please specify?
> Feedback:
> I would like consistency. I would still want to start from the same spot no matter which grid I was going into or coming from. Although I can see why you may want to start where you left off if you are dealing with going in and out of multiple grids.
>
> 5. Does entering a grid with Tab take you to (a) index 0,0 or (b) your position the last time you were in the grid (0,0 if this is the first time in the grid since expanding this menu)?
> Feedback:
> So is this a menu or a grid? If tab takes you to a grid, index 0,0. Consistent starting point.
>
> 6. Does entering a grid with Shift + Tab take you to (a) index 0,0, (b) to the last column of the last row, or (c) your position the last time you were in the grid (0,0 if this is the first time in the grid since expanding this menu)?
> Feedback:
> Same as above. I would want the same entry point regardless which way I get to it.
>
> 7. Does hitting the first/last column of the grid and then pressing the arrow that hits up against the boundary (a) wrap in the same row, (b) wrap to the next row, or (c) do nothing?
> Feedback:
> I lean toward staying within the same row. I want the option to move down to the next row when I need to.
>
> 8. When you get to the first row/column or last row/column and you press left/right respectively, should you leave the grid (and go to the previous/next 1d menu item)? If so, when you land on the next menu item do you expect to be able to press the opposite arrow key that you just pressed to go back into the grid (or do nothing/potentially collapse the menu if it is a submenu)?
> Feedback:
> We need to establish behaviors rather than doing all of the above. A grid isn't a menu so shouldn't behave as such. If there is a submenu on an item in a grid, I would expect to back out of the submenu with left arrow or go deeper into it with right arrow. Once I am back in the grid and the menu is collapsed, arrows should take me to the next grid point. So potentially collapse when using left arrow. If using right arrow, it should go to next grid point if back in the grid or submenu's if within submenu's.
>
> 9. Does leaving a grid to a menu item and then pressing the opposite key to back to the grid (a) go back to the last item that had focus in the grid or (b) something else?
> Feedback:
> In this instant because it's a submenu, focus should return back to the grid point where that submenu was located. This should remain consistent so using the opposite arrow key will depend on where you are and what you are interacting with at a time. If within a submenu, it should behave like one. Arrowing up and down through a menu, right arrow to open a submenu like a tree branch, left arrow to close that tree branch. Escape to close the menu and return you back to the grid point where you started.
>
> 10. When in a submenu and the submenu contains a grid and 1d menu items, when you get to the boundary when should the menu collapse (any time you hit the arrow key that bumps up against the left boundary, only when you hit the boundary if on a 1d menu item, or should it never collapse)?
> Feedback:
> To keep it consistent I like the idea of opening the menu or submenu with one keystroke whether it be enter or the spacebar and traversing through menu and submenus like I said above. So it should collapse when hitting left arrow only when hitting the left most boundary. Closing menus and submenu's them with escape which is totally different then collapsing.
>
> Keytips (aka accelerator keys)
> Note: Unlike the Windows clients, which uses "Alt," Office Online uses "Alt + Windows" to activate keytips due to browser limitations. Hitting "Alt + Windows" shows you the keytips on the Upper Ribbon and sets focus on the active tab. Every time you type the keytip value of a control, one of two things will happen. One, if the control's children has keytips, focus gets placed on that control and the next level of keytips is exposed. Or two, if the control does not have any children with keytips, the control's default function will be executed. For example, if you hit "Alt + Windows" and then "N," keyboard focus will be on the Insert Tab, the lower ribbon's contents will update to reflect that Insert is active, and keytips in the lower ribbon will be visible. Then, if you hit "NU," focus will be on the "Page Numbers" menu button, the menu will expand, and keytips will be visible on the menu items. Finally, hitting "R" will execute "Remove Page Numbers" because this menu item !
> doesn't have any children.
> 1. Should all visible keytip options be announced by AT when they appear (in keytip mode)?
> Feedback:
> Yes. Anything that will help me from point a to point B faster is ideal.
>
> 2. Is having the keytip as the description of a control the best place for it? Is there a better way to inform AT users of these values?
> Feedback:
> It use to be which ever was the highlighted letter was the accelerator key. That should remain consistent and when changed it should be documented. Using Jaws I used to be able to hit numpad plus the number 5 to query what was highlighted
> 3. Do you have any other expectations or feedback on keytips?
> Feedback:
> I would like to be able to query as needed, not to be told all the time. We as screen reader users already have enough chatter.
>
> Thank you and if there's something that I wasn't clear about, please ask.
>
> German
> From: athen-list <athen-list-bounces at mailman13.u.washington.edu> On Behalf Of June Lee
> Sent: Friday, March 02, 2018 9:21 PM
> To: Anita Mortaloni <anitase at microsoft.com>; athen-list at u.washington.edu
> Cc: Erin Williams (CELA) <erinwi at microsoft.com>
> Subject: Re: [Athen] Agenda for March 7 ATHEN-MICROSOFT Meeting
>
> Hi everyone, below are the list of scenarios we would like to receive feedback on. Please feel free to reply via email with feedback if you can't attend the meeting.
>
>
> Office Online Ribbon Navigation Scenarios for Feedback
> Contacts: June Lee <junele at microsoft.com<mailto:junele at microsoft.com>> and Jeremy Spurlin <jspurlin at microsoft.com<mailto:jspurlin at microsoft.com>>
> Background
> Office Online is working on a simpler ribbon to reduce the perception of complexity that our product currently has. We are leveraging this opportunity to revisit our earlier decisions around keyboard (KB) interactions and assistive technology (AT) announcements to improve our products' experience for all users. One challenge we face is that as an Office product hosted online, we sit at the intersection of several and sometimes different standards - Office, the web, and other online Microsoft products.
>
> The questions this week focus on navigating to/from/within the ribbon. The ribbon consists of 2 rows referred to as the Upper Ribbon and Lower Ribbon. The upper ribbon consist of the File Menu Launcher, Tabs (i.e. Home, Insert, Layout, etc.), and Peripheral Controls (i.e. Tell me, Edit in Word, and Share). One tab may be in "active" at a time, and that defines the contents of the lower ribbon. The Lower Ribbon consists of groups (aka chunks) and each group contains the commanding tools (i.e. Bold, Italic, Underline, etc.) related to the active tab.
>
> Thank you in advanced for your feedback and help!
> Ctrl + F6 loop
> Note: Unlike the Windows clients, which uses F6, Office Online uses CTRL + F6 to take you through its UI surfaces. This is due to browser limitations. How UI surfaces are bounded impacts how you arrow or tab to navigate within that surface.
>
> 1. When using CTRL +F6 to navigate to the "ribbon" UI surface, do you expect to land on (a) File, (b) Home, or (c) the active tab?
> 2. Do you expect the "ribbon" UI surface to be organized as:
> a. File, tabs, peripheral controls, and lower ribbon to be 1 UI surface
> b. File, tabs, and peripheral controls to be 1 UI surface and the lower ribbon to be another UI surface
> c. File, tabs, and lower ribbon to be 1 UI surface and the peripheral controls to be another UI surface
> d. File and peripheral controls to be 1 UI surface and tabs and lower ribbon to be another UI surface
> Ribbon
> Upper Ribbon
> Note: From left to right, there are 3 clusters of controls:
> * File
> * Tabs (i.e. Home, Insert, Layout, Review, View)
> * Peripheral controls (i.e. Tell me, Edit in Word, and Share)
>
> 1. When focus is on the File button, does arrow right (a) take you to Home or (b) stay on File?
> 2. When focus is on the File button, does arrow left (a) take you to Share or (b) stay on File?
> 3. When moving focus to a different tab, does it (a) activate the tab, or (b) put focus on the tab but don't activate it?
> 4. When focus in on the Home Tab, does arrow left take you to (a) File, (b) View, (c) Share, or (d) keep you on the Home Tab?
> 5. When focus is on the View Tab, does arrow right take you to (a) Tell me, (b) File, (c) Home, or (d) keep you on the View Tab?
> 6. Does Tab (a) take you through each item in the upper ribbon, (b) to the first item in each cluster (i.e. File, Tabs, Peripheral controls), or (c) to the lower ribbon?
> 7. Does Shift + Tab (a) take you through each item in reverse order, (b) to the first item in each group (i.e. File, Tabs, Peripheral controls), (c) to the last item of each group, or (d) to the last visited item in each group?
> 8. When focus is on a Tab header, does down arrow (a) take you to the first item in the lower ribbon, (b) take you to the item directly below the tab, or (c) do nothing?
> 9. When focus is on a Tab header, does down up (a) take you to the first item in the lower ribbon, (b) take you to the item directly below the tab, or (c) do nothing?
> Lower Ribbon
> Note: The lower ribbon is made up of groups (aka chunks) and each group contains items (aka controls). It is possible to have a lower ribbon with 1 group.
>
> 1. Does Tab (a) take you through each item or (b) to the first item in each group?
> 2. Does Shift + Tab (a) take you through each item in reverse order, (b) to the first item in each group, (c) to the last item of each group, or (d) to the last visited item in each group?
> 3. Regardless of your answers for #1 and #2, does Tab and Shift-Tab (a) loop through only the lower ribbon, (b) loop through the lower ribbon and tab headers, or (c) does not loop?
> 4. Does CTRL + left/right arrow (a) jump you through each group, with respect to the arrow direction or (b) do nothing?
> 5. If you selected "A" for #4, does CTRL + left/right arrow (a) loop through the lower ribbon or (b) does not loop?
> 6. Do you expect to be able to arrow through all controls in the lower ribbon, meaning: Does reaching the end of a ribbon group via arrow left/right (a) stay on the item, (b) take you to the next group, (c) loop you in the current group, or (d) take you to the active tab?
> 7. Does arrow up (a) take you to the active tab header or (b) nothing?
> 8. Does arrow down (a) take you to the active tab header or (b) nothing?
> Menus
> Menu items only
>
> 1. Does reaching the end of a menu via up/down arrow and then hitting the same arrow again (a) stay on the item or (b) loop to the other end?
>
> Menu items + submenus
>
> 1. Does Alt within a submenu (a) dismisses the whole chain or (b) only one level at a time?
> 2. Does Esc within a submenu (a) dismisses the whole chain or (b) only one level at a time?
> Menu items + comboboxes/spinners/checkboxes
>
> 1. Does hitting Enter when focus is on a combobox, spinner, or checkbox in the menu (a) close the menu or (b) keep it open with focus still on the control?
> 2. Does hitting Enter when focus is on a combobox, spinner, or checkbox in the submenu (a) close the submenu or (b) keep it open with focus still on the control?
> 3. Does typing a new value in a combobox or spinner and then hitting Tab (a) save the new value or (b) reset it?
> Menu items + menu sections
>
> 1. Does Tab (a) take you through each menu item or (b) to the first item in each menu section?
> 2. Does Shift + Tab (a) take you through each menu item in reverse order, (b) to the first item in each menu section, (c) to the last item of each menu section, or (d) to the last visited item in each menu section?
> 3. Does reaching the end of a menu section via arrow up/down (a) stay on the item, (b) take you to the next menu section, or (c) loop you in the current menu section?
> Menu items + grid
> Note: All "last visited" indices are reset when the menu is closed.
>
> 1. Does entering grid G1 with Down Arrow from a menu item enter G1 at (a) index 0,0 or (b) a different index, please specify?
> 2. Does entering grid G1 with Down Arrow from grid G2 enter G1 at (a) index 0,0, (b) at the same/closest column index as your position in G2, or (c) a different index, please specify?
> 3. Does entering grid G1 with Up Arrow from a menu item enter G1 (a) in last column of the last row or (b) a different index, please specify?
> 4. Does entering grid G1 with Down Arrow from grid G2 enter G1 (a) in the last column of the last row, (b) at the same/closest column index as your position in G2 in the last row of G1, or (c) a different index, please specify?
> 5. Does entering a grid with Tab take you to (a) index 0,0 or (b) your position the last time you were in the grid (0,0 if this is the first time in the grid since expanding this menu)?
> 6. Does entering a grid with Shift + Tab take you to (a) index 0,0, (b) to the last column of the last row, or (c) your position the last time you were in the grid (0,0 if this is the first time in the grid since expanding this menu)?
> 7. Does hitting the first/last column of the grid and then pressing the arrow that hits up against the boundary (a) wrap in the same row, (b) wrap to the next row, or (c) do nothing?
> 8. When you get to the first row/column or last row/column and you press left/right respectively, should you leave the grid (and go to the previous/next 1d menu item)? If so, when you land on the next menu item do you expect to be able to press the opposite arrow key that you just pressed to go back into the grid (or do nothing/potentially collapse the menu if it is a submenu)?
> 9. Does leaving a grid to a menu item and then pressing the opposite key to back to the grid (a) go back to the last item that had focus in the grid or (b) something else?
> 10. When in a submenu and the submenu contains a grid and 1d menu items, when you get to the boundary when should the menu collapse (any time you hit the arrow key that bumps up against the left boundary, only when you hit the boundary if on a 1d menu item, or should it never collapse)?
> Keytips (aka accelerator keys)
> Note: Unlike the Windows clients, which uses "Alt," Office Online uses "Alt + Windows" to activate keytips due to browser limitations. Hitting "Alt + Windows" shows you the keytips on the Upper Ribbon and sets focus on the active tab. Every time you type the keytip value of a control, one of two things will happen. One, if the control's children has keytips, focus gets placed on that control and the next level of keytips is exposed. Or two, if the control does not have any children with keytips, the control's default function will be executed. For example, if you hit "Alt + Windows" and then "N," keyboard focus will be on the Insert Tab, the lower ribbon's contents will update to reflect that Insert is active, and keytips in the lower ribbon will be visible. Then, if you hit "NU," focus will be on the "Page Numbers" menu button, the menu will expand, and keytips will be visible on the menu items. Finally, hitting "R" will execute "Remove Page Numbers" because this menu item !
> doesn't have any children.
>
> 1. Should all visible keytip options be announced by AT when they appear (in keytip mode)?
> 2. Is having the keytip as the description of a control the best place for it? Is there a better way to inform AT users of these values?
> 3. Do you have any other expectations or feedback on keytips?
>
> Warm regards,
> June
>
> From: Anita Mortaloni
> Sent: Friday, March 2, 2018 9:50 AM
> To: athen-list at u.washington.edu<mailto:athen-list at u.washington.edu>
> Cc: Erin Williams (CELA) <erinwi at microsoft.com<mailto:erinwi at microsoft.com>>; June Lee <junele at microsoft.com<mailto:junele at microsoft.com>>; Jeremy Spurlin <jspurlin at microsoft.com<mailto:jspurlin at microsoft.com>>; Anita Mortaloni <anitase at microsoft.com<mailto:anitase at microsoft.com>>
> Subject: Agenda for March 7 ATHEN-MICROSOFT Meeting
>
> Hi ATHEN,
>
> Sharing out the agenda for the upcoming ATHEN meeting next Wednesday 1/10 at 9am. We have a full agenda and great topics to discuss. If you have additional items that you would like to discuss, please send them prior to the meeting to add them to the agenda.
>
> Talk to you all next week!
> Anita
>
> Agenda for 03/07 ATHEN-Microsoft Meeting
>
> 1. Update on bug status from eDAD - Erin Williams
> 2. Update on ribbon feedback/scenarios - June Lee
> 3. Discussion on deployment blockers, problems and issues with upgrading to the latest O365 for people using AT or working with people using AT. - Anita Mortaloni
> 4. Possible training/meet-up in Redmond?
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> From: Robert Spangler <rspangler1 at udayton.edu>
> To: Access Technology Higher Education Network
> <athen-list at u.washington.edu>
> Subject: Re: [Athen] The Ribbon in Microsoft Word
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> Hello, I'm on NVDA 2017.4 as well. When I press alt, the ribbon activates
> and I am placed on the Home tab. However, if I press enter on Home it just
> throws me back into the document; I have to tab from the ribbon strip in
> order to see the options. This has always been the case in Word as far
> back as I can remember; although, in other ribbons throughout Windows and
> Office, it is indeed necessary to hit enter on the tab first. This is
> another reason I've always been frustrated with these ribbons, because the
> ways of interacting with them have not been consistent. I have since
> accepted that the ribbons are here to stay, but it doesn't mean I have to
> like them. Haha.
>
> In either case, I do have JAWS installed on here so I'll give that a try
> and see what my results are. What version of Office are you using, because
> that could also make a difference. I'm on 2016.
>
> Thanks again,
> Robert
>
>
> On Tue, Mar 6, 2018 at 12:51 PM, Russell Solowoniuk <solowoniukr at macewan.ca>
> wrote:
>
>> Hi Robert,
>>
>>
>>
>> What version of NVDA are you running? I just tried going to the Home tab
>> in MS Word 2016 with NVDA 2017.4. I press the alt key to go to the Home
>> tab. I then press enter to open the home tab, and I land on the Paste
>> button. I press alt + down arrow, and am in a list of paste options, ?Use
>> destination theme?, ?Paste Special?, ?Keep source formatting?, etc.
>>
>>
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>>
>>
>> Russell
>>
>>
>>
>> Russell Solowoniuk
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>> *From:* athen-list [mailto:athen-list-bounces at mailman13.u.washington.edu] *On
>> Behalf Of *Robert Spangler
>> *Sent:* Tuesday, February 27, 2018 1:28 PM
>> *To:* Access Technology Higher Education Network <
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>> *Subject:* Re: [Athen] The Ribbon in Microsoft Word
>>
>>
>>
>> Thanks everyone for your responses.
>>
>> Neither of these suggestions work with NVDA. I will need to reach out to
>> their list and ask. I'll report back when I find out.
>>
>> Thank goodness for object nav.
>>
>> Robert
>>
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Feb 27, 2018 at 2:44 PM, S A. Marositz <SAMAROSITZ at pasadena.edu>
>> wrote:
>>
>> Hi Robert
>>
>>
>>
>> Alt+down errow is supposed to do it. Another option for activating ?split
>> buttons? is space bar where ?enter? will simply activate it. You are right,
>> This does not seem to be working in Word 2016 with NVDA. It is with Jaws18
>> though.
>>
>>
>>
>> Best
>>
>> Stephen Alexander Marositz JD, CPACC
>> Assistive Technology Specialist, Pasadena City College
>> Phone: (626) 585-7242
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* athen-list [mailto:athen-list-bounces at mailman13.u.washington.edu] *On
>> Behalf Of *Robert Spangler
>> *Sent:* Tuesday, February 27, 2018 11:23 AM
>> *To:* Access Technology Higher Education Network <
>> athen-list at u.washington.edu>
>> *Subject:* [Athen] The Ribbon in Microsoft Word
>>
>>
>>
>> Hello everyone! I'm using a screen reader with Word 2016 (NVDA to be
>> specific) and I am trying to figure out how to activate submenus on the
>> ribbon. For example, the first button off the Home tab is the Paste
>> button. I have been told, though, that there is an arrow next to it that
>> when clicked will open a menu with related options, such as Paste Special.
>>
>> How does one access this menu with the keyboard? I can get to the paste
>> button itself, but pressing enter on it of course executes the paste
>> command. Pressing the applications key or right clicking pulls up another
>> menu, but not the one I want. I noticed that, with NVDA, routing the
>> cursor to the object, using some object nav magic then left-clicking
>> produces the menu with Paste Special, Text Only, etc but there has to be an
>> easier way...I hope?
>>
>> Thanks in advance for your wisdom!
>>
>> Robert
>>
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>> On Mar 7, 2018, at 8:42 AM, Fermin, German <GERMAN.FERMIN at PURCHASE.EDU> wrote:
>>
>> I?m interspersing my comments within the questions. Although I must say that since I am at a helpdesk for a College and I have been supporting ribbons for a number of years now, the complexity is not ?perception?, it is indeed much harder than it needs to be. Hopefully all this feedback will help.
>>
>>
>>
>> When using CTRL +F6 to navigate to the "ribbon" UI surface, do you expect to land on (a) File, (b) Home, or (c) the active tab?
>>
>> Feedback:
>>
>> I would expect for it to land on File. This brings is consistency to the experience. Always good to have one starting point less confusing to have a consistent starting point.
>>
>
> Karen - use Ctrl + F6 to cycle through open documents in a specific Office application...for example, of I have two or more Word docs open, Ctrl + F6 cycles me forward through my open Word docs while Ctrl + Shift + F6 cycles me backward through them...has this been reassigned?
>>
>>
>> 1. Do you expect the "ribbon" UI surface to be organized as:
>>
>> a. File, tabs, peripheral controls, and lower ribbon to be 1 UI surface
>>
>> b. File, tabs, and peripheral controls to be 1 UI surface and the lower ribbon to be another UI surface
>>
>> c. File, tabs, and lower ribbon to be 1 UI surface and the peripheral controls to be another UI surface
>>
>> d. File and peripheral controls to be 1 UI surface and tabs and lower ribbon to be another UI surface
>>
>> Feedback:
>>
>> Closest would be A. Keep it consistent. It is too easy to get lost in the dizzying amount of differing options that could be navigated to within both Word and outlook. If it gets broken up into smaller amounts of groups and not so many subcategories, easier on the brain. Quicker to get from point A to point B rather then worrying about which ribbon I?m in and having to remember that the lower ribbon may have other options that I may or may not need. I would much rather drill down to get somewhere linearly than tabbing through 100 controls in order to get to that one thing I need to change.
>>
>> Karen - Not sure I understand. I expect File/Backstage, regular ribbon tabs, Add-in tabs and then Sub-Rbbons like aTable Tools or Drawing Tools with Ask Me at the end and account info and send a smile to the far right.
>>
>> Ribbon
>> Upper Ribbon
>> Note: From left to right, there are 3 clusters of controls:
>> ? File
>>
>> ? Tabs (i.e. Home, Insert, Layout, Review, View)
>>
>> ? Peripheral controls (i.e. Tell me, Edit in Word, and Share)
>>
>> 1. When focus is on the File button, does arrow right (a) take you to Home or (b) stay on File?
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>> Feedback:
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>> Stay on file because that is a button and not a tab. A button is to be pressed to activate a function. In this case we have File tab buttons. That?s confusing. Which is it?
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>
> Karen - I would agree since Alt on its own takes you to either the Home tab or the tab you ere last on, not the File/Backstage area.
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>> 2. When focus is on the File button, does arrow left (a) take you to Share or (b) stay on File?
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>> Feedback:
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>> I would expect for it to go to another button. Just like if I was navigating through tabs, I would expect for it to go to another tab.
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> Karen- same as comment above. Focus should remain on File/Backstage...although when I've accidentally pressed Alt + F, it is nice to just press an arrow key to move into the tabs.
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>> 3. When moving focus to a different tab, does it (a) activate the tab, or (b) put focus on the tab but don't activate it?
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>> Feedback:
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>> A. If I move focus to another tab, I expect focus to be there as well. I may not do anything within that tab but if I?m focused in a tab, I want to be able to make changes in that now focus and active tab.
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> Karen - I can see both scenarios...if I'm moving to fast and miss the Ribbon I want, it is nice to just go back without backing out of a Ribbon...but if I want to work more efficiently, I'd want to move directly into the tool...but my final answer is that it not activate the Ribbon. I can use the specific keyboard command to move to and activate the Ribbon. I see using the arrows as more of an exploratory tool or something for me to jog my memory for what the name of a Ribbon is that I don't often use. That is how I use Alt plus Arrows.
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>> 4. When focus in on the Home Tab, does arrow left take you to (a) File, (b) View, (c) Share, or (d) keep you on the Home Tab?
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>> Feedback:
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>> If I hit left arrow, I expect to cycle through the different tabs within that level. Just like if I went with the right arrow.
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> Hmmm, I would say yes here but it negates my previous answered about File/Backstage...so...I think that File/backstage should be thought of as a vertical Ribbon instead of as a button which would allow for more fluid navigation along the top tabs and we wouldn't get stuck on a "File" button. Are we using the term "File button" based on the old Office button? In thinking about it, I already have kind of thought of it as a vertical Ribbon with groups of tools
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>> 5. When focus is on the View Tab, does arrow right take you to (a) Tell me, (b) File, (c) Home, or (d) keep you on the View Tab?
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>> Feedback:
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>> Same as above. I expect to go to the next tab. Tell me still appears to be a keyboard trap for me.
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> Karen - I expect to go to the next tab or item. I use the arrow keys to find a specific tab/tool or to see if anything new has been added, skipping over things is confusing and doesn't really give me the ability to visualize the way the UI is laid out.
>
> Will send more later...next Conference session is about to start.
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>> 6. Does Tab (a) take you through each item in the upper ribbon, (b) to the first item in each cluster (i.e. File, Tabs, Peripheral controls), or (c) to the lower ribbon?
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>> Feedback:
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>> Currently it seems like it does a mixture of all three. I would align closest to B. If I use tab, I expect to hit the controls that are in the tab I selected/activated.
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>> 7. Does Shift + Tab (a) take you through each item in reverse order, (b) to the first item in each group (i.e. File, Tabs, Peripheral controls), (c) to the last item of each group, or (d) to the last visited item in each group?
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>> Feedback:
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>> Shift+tab should take you through the reverse order of the tab you are in within the same level. If this is a different experience going backwards, that?s just confusing. If I start having different experiences depending on which direction I?m going in, that makes it conditional and leaving it up to the user to remember. Also, if the experiences changes like that, I would imagine that it would be also hard to update since it?s conditional on the programming side. I?m others can speak to this.
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>> 8. When focus is on a Tab header, does down arrow (a) take you to the first item in the lower ribbon, (b) take you to the item directly below the tab, or (c) do nothing?
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>> Feedback:
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>> To keep it consistent, tab would go to the first item associated with that tab header. So C in this case.
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>> 9. When focus is on a Tab header, does down up (a) take you to the first item in the lower ribbon, (b) take you to the item directly below the tab, or (c) do nothing?
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>> Feedback:
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>> To keep it consistent, same as above. If you are on tab headers and you hit up arrow, it should do nothing.
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>> Lower Ribbon
>> Note: The lower ribbon is made up of groups (aka chunks) and each group contains items (aka controls). It is possible to have a lower ribbon with 1 group.
>> 1. Does Tab (a) take you through each item or (b) to the first item in each group?
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>> Feedback:
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>> Take you through each item in each group. Whether they are groups or tabs, the experience should remain the same.
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>> 2. Does Shift + Tab (a) take you through each item in reverse order, (b) to the first item in each group, (c) to the last item of each group, or (d) to the last visited item in each group?
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>> Feedback:
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>> Take you through items in reverse order. The rest of the choices add layers of confusion.
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>> 3. Regardless of your answers for #1 and #2, does Tab and Shift-Tab (a) loop through only the lower ribbon, (b) loop through the lower ribbon and tab headers, or (c) does not loop?
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>> Feedback:
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>> It should loop within the chosen tab.
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>> 4. Does CTRL + left/right arrow (a) jump you through each group, with respect to the arrow direction or (b) do nothing?
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>> Feedback:
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>> I would choose A but what is exactly is the difference between
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>> a group from a tab? Is the experience suppose to be different? Is control+left or right arrow suppose to replace control+tab and shift tab?
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>> 5. If you selected ?A? for #4, does CTRL + left/right arrow (a) loop through the lower ribbon or (b) does not loop?
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>> Feedback:
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>> If control+left or right arrow for navigating through groups, it should loop through the groups, not the items within the group. That should be reserved for tabbing.
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>> 6. Do you expect to be able to arrow through all controls in the lower ribbon, meaning: Does reaching the end of a ribbon group via arrow left/right (a) stay on the item, (b) take you to the next group, (c) loop you in the current group, or (d) take you to the active tab?
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>> Feedback:
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>> If I am at the end of the items and I tab, I expect to loop within that section. Taking to the next tab is only going to confuse me. I choose C.
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>> 7. Does arrow up (a) take you to the active tab header or (b) nothing?
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>> 8. Does arrow down (a) take you to the active tab header or (b) nothing?
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>> Feedback:
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>> Nothing on both of these. Although I think this is worth talking through. Problem with this is I never remember which key I am suppose to use for navigating or activating things.
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>> Menus
>> Menu items only
>> 1. Does reaching the end of a menu via up/down arrow and then hitting the same arrow again (a) stay on the item or (b) loop to the other end?
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>> Feedback:
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>> Loop to the other end. I always expect that and if I don?t get that I get confused and start second guessing thinking that perhaps I missed something.
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>> Menu items + submenus
>> 1. Does Alt within a submenu (a) dismisses the whole chain or (b) only one level at a time?
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>> Feedback:
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>> Dismiss the whole chain. I guess I?m so use to hitting alt to get to a menu or out of them. To me it has always been like a toggle. Alt to activate the menu and alt to be out of that menu.
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>> 2. Does Esc within a submenu (a) dismisses the whole chain or (b) only one level at a time?
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>> Feedback:
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>> Escapes at the moment seems to go back one level at a time in some cases. If it did that consistently, it would make sense.
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>> Menu items + combo boxes/spinners/checkboxes
>> 1. Does hitting Enter when focus is on a combo box, spinner, or checkbox in the menu (a) close the menu or (b) keep it open with focus still on the control?
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>> Feedback:
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>> It would really depend on what actions were available. If only one action can be performed within that combo box I would expect for it to be closed. I would closest align with A. Although, I want focus to remain just in case I want to confirm my changes.
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>> 2. Does hitting Enter when focus is on a combo box, spinner, or checkbox in the submenu (a) close the submenu or (b) keep it open with focus still on the control?
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>> Feedback:
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>> Same as above. IS this the same question or am I missing something?
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>> 3. Does typing a new value in a combo box or spinner and then hitting Tab (a) save the new value or (b) reset it?
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>> Feedback:
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>> Strongly align with A. Resetting it after tabbing could only be compared to a nightmare. If a screen reader can only focus on one thing at a time, resetting the values would only add another layer of complexity. If I?m following instructions from a web page and I have cycle through the windows after following the instructions? Resetting, reading, resetting, reading etc.
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>> Menu items + menu sections
>> 1. Does Tab (a) take you through each menu item or (b) to the first item in each menu section?
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>> Feedback:
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>> Traditionally, if I?m traveling through menu?s, I am using arrow keys and not tabbing through them. If I start tabbing, in my mind it is no longer a menu but a tab.
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>>
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>> 2. Does Shift + Tab (a) take you through each menu item in reverse order, (b) to the first item in each menu section, (c) to the last item of each menu section, or (d) to the last visited item in each menu section?
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>> Same as above. If I am tabbing, it?s not a menu.
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>> 3. Does reaching the end of a menu section via arrow up/down (a) stay on the item, (b) take you to the next menu section, or (c) loop you in the current menu section?
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>> Loop in the current menu section.
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>> Menu items + grid
>> Note: All "last visited" indices are reset when the menu is closed.
>> 1. Does entering grid G1 with Down Arrow from a menu item enter G1 at (a) index 0,0 or (b) a different index, please specify?
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>> Feedback:
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>> Like most things, I would like consistency and one starting point. If I enter a grid, I expect to start from the same place giving the option of moving to where I need to be, go or change within that grid menu or tab. So index 0,0
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>> 2. Does entering grid G1 with Down Arrow from grid G2 enter G1 at (a) index 0,0, (b) at the same/closest column index as your position in G2, or (c) a different index, please specify?
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>> Feedback:
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>> I would keep this consistent. If I am in a new grid, I would like to start from the same position every time. That gives me the option to navigate where I need to go. Less of a burden on the brain.
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>> 3. 1Does entering grid G1 with Up Arrow from a menu item enter G1 (a) in last column of the last row or (b) a different index, please specify?
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>> Feedback:
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>> This is counter intuitive. Do I go up to the bottom of a grid? Using the down arrow key feels more like a logical direction to me to go into something. Would I go up the stairs to go down into a room? At least not in one fluid motion. Perhaps others miles may vary in this experience.
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>> 4. Does entering grid G1 with Down Arrow from grid G2 enter G1 (a) in the last column of the last row, (b) at the same/closest column index as your position in G2 in the last row of G1, or (c) a different index, please specify?
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>> Feedback:
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>> I would like consistency. I would still want to start from the same spot no matter which grid I was going into or coming from. Although I can see why you may want to start where you left off if you are dealing with going in and out of multiple grids.
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>> 5. Does entering a grid with Tab take you to (a) index 0,0 or (b) your position the last time you were in the grid (0,0 if this is the first time in the grid since expanding this menu)?
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>> Feedback:
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>> So is this a menu or a grid? If tab takes you to a grid, index 0,0. Consistent starting point.
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>> 6. Does entering a grid with Shift + Tab take you to (a) index 0,0, (b) to the last column of the last row, or (c) your position the last time you were in the grid (0,0 if this is the first time in the grid since expanding this menu)?
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>> Feedback:
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>> Same as above. I would want the same entry point regardless which way I get to it.
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>> 7. Does hitting the first/last column of the grid and then pressing the arrow that hits up against the boundary (a) wrap in the same row, (b) wrap to the next row, or (c) do nothing?
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>> Feedback:
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>> I lean toward staying within the same row. I want the option to move down to the next row when I need to.
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>> 8. When you get to the first row/column or last row/column and you press left/right respectively, should you leave the grid (and go to the previous/next 1d menu item)? If so, when you land on the next menu item do you expect to be able to press the opposite arrow key that you just pressed to go back into the grid (or do nothing/potentially collapse the menu if it is a submenu)?
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>> Feedback:
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>> We need to establish behaviors rather than doing all of the above. A grid isn?t a menu so shouldn?t behave as such. If there is a submenu on an item in a grid, I would expect to back out of the submenu with left arrow or go deeper into it with right arrow. Once I am back in the grid and the menu is collapsed, arrows should take me to the next grid point. So potentially collapse when using left arrow. If using right arrow, it should go to next grid point if back in the grid or submenu?s if within submenu?s.
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>> 9. Does leaving a grid to a menu item and then pressing the opposite key to back to the grid (a) go back to the last item that had focus in the grid or (b) something else?
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>> Feedback:
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>> In this instant because it?s a submenu, focus should return back to the grid point where that submenu was located. This should remain consistent so using the opposite arrow key will depend on where you are and what you are interacting with at a time. If within a submenu, it should behave like one. Arrowing up and down through a menu, right arrow to open a submenu like a tree branch, left arrow to close that tree branch. Escape to close the menu and return you back to the grid point where you started.
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>> 10. When in a submenu and the submenu contains a grid and 1d menu items, when you get to the boundary when should the menu collapse (any time you hit the arrow key that bumps up against the left boundary, only when you hit the boundary if on a 1d menu item, or should it never collapse)?
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>> Feedback:
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>> To keep it consistent I like the idea of opening the menu or submenu with one keystroke whether it be enter or the spacebar and traversing through menu and submenus like I said above. So it should collapse when hitting left arrow only when hitting the left most boundary. Closing menus and submenu?s them with escape which is totally different then collapsing.
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>> Keytips (aka accelerator keys)
>> Note: Unlike the Windows clients, which uses ?Alt,? Office Online uses "Alt + Windows" to activate keytips due to browser limitations. Hitting ?Alt + Windows? shows you the keytips on the Upper Ribbon and sets focus on the active tab. Every time you type the keytip value of a control, one of two things will happen. One, if the control?s children has keytips, focus gets placed on that control and the next level of keytips is exposed. Or two, if the control does not have any children with keytips, the control?s default function will be executed. For example, if you hit ?Alt + Windows? and then ?N,? keyboard focus will be on the Insert Tab, the lower ribbon?s contents will update to reflect that Insert is active, and keytips in the lower ribbon will be visible. Then, if you hit ?NU,? focus will be on the ?Page Numbers? menu button, the menu will expand, and keytips will be visible on the menu items. Finally, hitting ?R? will execute ?Remove Page Numbers? because this menu ite!
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>> 1. Should all visible keytip options be announced by AT when they appear (in keytip mode)?
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>> Feedback:
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>> Yes. Anything that will help me from point a to point B faster is ideal.
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>> 2. Is having the keytip as the description of a control the best place for it? Is there a better way to inform AT users of these values?
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>> Feedback:
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>> It use to be which ever was the highlighted letter was the accelerator key. That should remain consistent and when changed it should be documented. Using Jaws I used to be able to hit numpad plus the number 5 to query what was highlighted
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>> 3. Do you have any other expectations or feedback on keytips?
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>> Feedback:
>> I would like to be able to query as needed, not to be told all the time. We as screen reader users already have enough chatter.
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>> Thank you and if there?s something that I wasn?t clear about, please ask.
>>
>> German
>> From: athen-list <athen-list-bounces at mailman13.u.washington.edu> On Behalf Of June Lee
>> Sent: Friday, March 02, 2018 9:21 PM
>> To: Anita Mortaloni <anitase at microsoft.com>; athen-list at u.washington.edu
>> Cc: Erin Williams (CELA) <erinwi at microsoft.com>
>> Subject: Re: [Athen] Agenda for March 7 ATHEN-MICROSOFT Meeting
>>
>> Hi everyone, below are the list of scenarios we would like to receive feedback on. Please feel free to reply via email with feedback if you can?t attend the meeting.
>>
>> Office Online Ribbon Navigation Scenarios for Feedback
>> Contacts: June Lee <junele at microsoft.com> and Jeremy Spurlin <jspurlin at microsoft.com>
>> Background
>> Office Online is working on a simpler ribbon to reduce the perception of complexity that our product currently has. We are leveraging this opportunity to revisit our earlier decisions around keyboard (KB) interactions and assistive technology (AT) announcements to improve our products? experience for all users. One challenge we face is that as an Office product hosted online, we sit at the intersection of several and sometimes different standards ? Office, the web, and other online Microsoft products.
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>> The questions this week focus on navigating to/from/within the ribbon. The ribbon consists of 2 rows referred to as the Upper Ribbon and Lower Ribbon. The upper ribbon consist of the File Menu Launcher, Tabs (i.e. Home, Insert, Layout, etc.), and Peripheral Controls (i.e. Tell me, Edit in Word, and Share). One tab may be in ?active? at a time, and that defines the contents of the lower ribbon. The Lower Ribbon consists of groups (aka chunks) and each group contains the commanding tools (i.e. Bold, Italic, Underline, etc.) related to the active tab.
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>> Thank you in advanced for your feedback and help!
>> Ctrl + F6 loop
>> Note: Unlike the Windows clients, which uses F6, Office Online uses CTRL + F6 to take you through its UI surfaces. This is due to browser limitations. How UI surfaces are bounded impacts how you arrow or tab to navigate within that surface.
>> When using CTRL +F6 to navigate to the "ribbon" UI surface, do you expect to land on (a) File, (b) Home, or (c) the active tab?
>> 2. Do you expect the "ribbon" UI surface to be organized as:
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>> a. File, tabs, peripheral controls, and lower ribbon to be 1 UI surface
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>> b. File, tabs, and peripheral controls to be 1 UI surface and the lower ribbon to be another UI surface
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>> c. File, tabs, and lower ribbon to be 1 UI surface and the peripheral controls to be another UI surface
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>> d. File and peripheral controls to be 1 UI surface and tabs and lower ribbon to be another UI surface
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>> Ribbon
>> Upper Ribbon
>> Note: From left to right, there are 3 clusters of controls:
>> ? File
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>> ? Tabs (i.e. Home, Insert, Layout, Review, View)
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>> ? Peripheral controls (i.e. Tell me, Edit in Word, and Share)
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>> When focus is on the File button, does arrow right (a) take you to Home or (b) stay on File?
>> 2. When focus is on the File button, does arrow left (a) take you to Share or (b) stay on File?
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>> 3. When moving focus to a different tab, does it (a) activate the tab, or (b) put focus on the tab but don't activate it?
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>> 4. When focus in on the Home Tab, does arrow left take you to (a) File, (b) View, (c) Share, or (d) keep you on the Home Tab?
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>> 5. When focus is on the View Tab, does arrow right take you to (a) Tell me, (b) File, (c) Home, or (d) keep you on the View Tab?
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>> 6. Does Tab (a) take you through each item in the upper ribbon, (b) to the first item in each cluster (i.e. File, Tabs, Peripheral controls), or (c) to the lower ribbon?
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>> 7. Does Shift + Tab (a) take you through each item in reverse order, (b) to the first item in each group (i.e. File, Tabs, Peripheral controls), (c) to the last item of each group, or (d) to the last visited item in each group?
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>> 8. When focus is on a Tab header, does down arrow (a) take you to the first item in the lower ribbon, (b) take you to the item directly below the tab, or (c) do nothing?
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>> 9. When focus is on a Tab header, does down up (a) take you to the first item in the lower ribbon, (b) take you to the item directly below the tab, or (c) do nothing?
>>
>> Lower Ribbon
>> Note: The lower ribbon is made up of groups (aka chunks) and each group contains items (aka controls). It is possible to have a lower ribbon with 1 group.
>> Does Tab (a) take you through each item or (b) to the first item in each group?
>> 2. Does Shift + Tab (a) take you through each item in reverse order, (b) to the first item in each group, (c) to the last item of each group, or (d) to the last visited item in each group?
>>
>> 3. Regardless of your answers for #1 and #2, does Tab and Shift-Tab (a) loop through only the lower ribbon, (b) loop through the lower ribbon and tab headers, or (c) does not loop?
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>> 4. Does CTRL + left/right arrow (a) jump you through each group, with respect to the arrow direction or (b) do nothing?
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>> 5. If you selected ?A? for #4, does CTRL + left/right arrow (a) loop through the lower ribbon or (b) does not loop?
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>> 6. Do you expect to be able to arrow through all controls in the lower ribbon, meaning: Does reaching the end of a ribbon group via arrow left/right (a) stay on the item, (b) take you to the next group, (c) loop you in the current group, or (d) take you to the active tab?
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>> 7. Does arrow up (a) take you to the active tab header or (b) nothing?
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>> 8. Does arrow down (a) take you to the active tab header or (b) nothing?
>>
>> Menus
>> Menu items only
>> Does reaching the end of a menu via up/down arrow and then hitting the same arrow again (a) stay on the item or (b) loop to the other end?
>> Menu items + submenus
>> Does Alt within a submenu (a) dismisses the whole chain or (b) only one level at a time?
>> 2. Does Esc within a submenu (a) dismisses the whole chain or (b) only one level at a time?
>>
>> Menu items + comboboxes/spinners/checkboxes
>> Does hitting Enter when focus is on a combobox, spinner, or checkbox in the menu (a) close the menu or (b) keep it open with focus still on the control?
>> 2. Does hitting Enter when focus is on a combobox, spinner, or checkbox in the submenu (a) close the submenu or (b) keep it open with focus still on the control?
>>
>> 3. Does typing a new value in a combobox or spinner and then hitting Tab (a) save the new value or (b) reset it?
>>
>> Menu items + menu sections
>> Does Tab (a) take you through each menu item or (b) to the first item in each menu section?
>> 2. Does Shift + Tab (a) take you through each menu item in reverse order, (b) to the first item in each menu section, (c) to the last item of each menu section, or (d) to the last visited item in each menu section?
>>
>> 3. Does reaching the end of a menu section via arrow up/down (a) stay on the item, (b) take you to the next menu section, or (c) loop you in the current menu section?
>>
>> Menu items + grid
>> Note: All "last visited" indices are reset when the menu is closed.
>> Does entering grid G1 with Down Arrow from a menu item enter G1 at (a) index 0,0 or (b) a different index, please specify?
>> 2. Does entering grid G1 with Down Arrow from grid G2 enter G1 at (a) index 0,0, (b) at the same/closest column index as your position in G2, or (c) a different index, please specify?
>>
>> 3. Does entering grid G1 with Up Arrow from a menu item enter G1 (a) in last column of the last row or (b) a different index, please specify?
>>
>> 4. Does entering grid G1 with Down Arrow from grid G2 enter G1 (a) in the last column of the last row, (b) at the same/closest column index as your position in G2 in the last row of G1, or (c) a different index, please specify?
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>> 5. Does entering a grid with Tab take you to (a) index 0,0 or (b) your position the last time you were in the grid (0,0 if this is the first time in the grid since expanding this menu)?
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>> 6. Does entering a grid with Shift + Tab take you to (a) index 0,0, (b) to the last column of the last row, or (c) your position the last time you were in the grid (0,0 if this is the first time in the grid since expanding this menu)?
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>> 7. Does hitting the first/last column of the grid and then pressing the arrow that hits up against the boundary (a) wrap in the same row, (b) wrap to the next row, or (c) do nothing?
>>
>> 8. When you get to the first row/column or last row/column and you press left/right respectively, should you leave the grid (and go to the previous/next 1d menu item)? If so, when you land on the next menu item do you expect to be able to press the opposite arrow key that you just pressed to go back into the grid (or do nothing/potentially collapse the menu if it is a submenu)?
>>
>> 9. Does leaving a grid to a menu item and then pressing the opposite key to back to the grid (a) go back to the last item that had focus in the grid or (b) something else?
>>
>> 10. When in a submenu and the submenu contains a grid and 1d menu items, when you get to the boundary when should the menu collapse (any time you hit the arrow key that bumps up against the left boundary, only when you hit the boundary if on a 1d menu item, or should it never collapse)?
>>
>> Keytips (aka accelerator keys)
>> Note: Unlike the Windows clients, which uses ?Alt,? Office Online uses "Alt + Windows" to activate keytips due to browser limitations. Hitting ?Alt + Windows? shows you the keytips on the Upper Ribbon and sets focus on the active tab. Every time you type the keytip value of a control, one of two things will happen. One, if the control?s children has keytips, focus gets placed on that control and the next level of keytips is exposed. Or two, if the control does not have any children with keytips, the control?s default function will be executed. For example, if you hit ?Alt + Windows? and then ?N,? keyboard focus will be on the Insert Tab, the lower ribbon?s contents will update to reflect that Insert is active, and keytips in the lower ribbon will be visible. Then, if you hit ?NU,? focus will be on the ?Page Numbers? menu button, the menu will expand, and keytips will be visible on the menu items. Finally, hitting ?R? will execute ?Remove Page Numbers? because this menu ite!
> m doesn?t have any children.
>> Should all visible keytip options be announced by AT when they appear (in keytip mode)?
>> 2. Is having the keytip as the description of a control the best place for it? Is there a better way to inform AT users of these values?
>>
>> 3. Do you have any other expectations or feedback on keytips?
>>
>>
>> Warm regards,
>> June
>>
>> From: Anita Mortaloni
>> Sent: Friday, March 2, 2018 9:50 AM
>> To: athen-list at u.washington.edu
>> Cc: Erin Williams (CELA) <erinwi at microsoft.com>; June Lee <junele at microsoft.com>; Jeremy Spurlin <jspurlin at microsoft.com>; Anita Mortaloni <anitase at microsoft.com>
>> Subject: Agenda for March 7 ATHEN-MICROSOFT Meeting
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>> Hi ATHEN,
>>
>> Sharing out the agenda for the upcoming ATHEN meeting next Wednesday 1/10 at 9am. We have a full agenda and great topics to discuss. If you have additional items that you would like to discuss, please send them prior to the meeting to add them to the agenda.
>>
>> Talk to you all next week!
>> Anita
>>
>> Agenda for 03/07 ATHEN-Microsoft Meeting
>> Update on bug status from eDAD ? Erin Williams
>> Update on ribbon feedback/scenarios ? June Lee
>> Discussion on deployment blockers, problems and issues with upgrading to the latest O365 for people using AT or working with people using AT. ? Anita Mortaloni
>> Possible training/meet-up in Redmond?
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> From: Krista Greear <greeark at uw.edu>
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> Subject: [Athen] Office 2016 (Mac) powerpoint accessibility
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> Checking for understanding there are two ways you can fix reading order.
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> Method 1 - Selection Pane
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> You can move the objects up and down. Objects listed LAST will be read FIRST by a screen reader, and objects listed FIRST will be read LAST. Therefore, you want the objects to be listed bottom to top, so that they are read aloud top to bottom.
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> Method 2 - Reorder Objects
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> You can move the objects left to right. Objects are shown in layers, with numbers assigned to each layer. Number 1 will be read LAST, and Number 3 will be read first. Therefore, you want the objects listed left to right (number 1 is always on the far right), so that they are read aloud top to bottom.
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> Reorder Objects and Selection Pane are connected. If I move the objects up and down in the Selection Pane, that will move the objects left to right within Reorder Objects.
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> Is this correct?
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