[Athen] Live Scribe 3 Smart Pens

[Jane Berk]

We review their psychology assessments, then we complete my own assessment of the individual student.  Afterwards, we do a personal demonstration of the options and, depending on the best fit and preference for the student and the student’s comfort level with technology, we will recommend either Audio Notetaker, a Livescribe, a digital recorder, or an app.  In some cases they are able to try out the various options with loaners before we take the next step.  Every student learns in a different way and has individual needs and abilities.  There is no one perfect one-size-fits-all recording system, in my opinion.

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I ask my students if they prefer to type or write their notes by hand and proceed accordingly.


On Wed, Sep 5, 2018 at 11:34 AM Justin Romack <justinr at disability.tamu.edu<mailto:justinr at disability.tamu.edu>> wrote:
It’s extremely difficult for me to recommend Sonocent to students who are taking handwritten notes. I feel uncomfortable at the notion of putting a laptop in front of them – when many report getting distracted or struggling with focus. It seems counterintuitive. That said, Sonocent seems to be evolving their product – and my goodness, they’re incredibly receptive to feedback. I’ve been resistant to their app for a while… but I’m opening up a bit as I’m seeing the number of defective Livescribe smartpens hitting my desk.

Just curious how some of you justify moving a student from a handwritten notetaking solution to typing their notes? It’s a jump… and I think it raises new concerns and considerations… especially with all of the research that indicates typing one’s notes is less effective than taking notes by hand. But our students often require unique and creative solutions – so I want to explore how you all are synthesizing these needs and specialized considerations.

Thanks all,
Justin


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From: athen-list <athen-list-bounces at mailman12.u.washington.edu<mailto:athen-list-bounces at mailman12.u.washington.edu>> On Behalf Of Leyna Bencomo
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Subject: Re: [Athen] Live Scribe 3 Smart Pens

Years ago, I bought several Echo pens and many of the shafts (bottom half of the pen) cracked slightly and made the recordings noisy.  Livescribe told me it was a defect and they sent me new shafts with instructions on how to replace.  They were polite, accommodating and quick to respond.  I was very impressed.

Now, I recently contacted via their chatline to ask how soon we could expect more pens since everyone needs them at the beginning of the fall semester.  I asked what was going on and why they had a shortage.  I was treated rather sarcastically and was told I guess it’s because “everybody needs them at the beginning of the fall semester.”

Not a friendly response.  However, I have not found anything that will do the job as well as the Echo pen.  Students claim that their grades improve significantly after they start using the smartpen.  Those that can afford it, buy them.

Sonocent seems cumbersome to me with all its colors and the need for a laptop in the class.  But I haven’t actually asked students to try it.  I know people think it has a coolness factor but does it really help with actual grades?

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From: athen-list <athen-list-bounces at mailman12.u.washington.edu<mailto:athen-list-bounces at mailman12.u.washington.edu>> On Behalf Of Robert Spangler
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Subject: Re: [Athen] Live Scribe 3 Smart Pens

They're an irritating company in general.  It's almost as if they're not interested in selling their products.  We use a purchasing system here, to which we must add suppliers, and they have not been working with us at all - as if they're ignoring our emails.  I imagine that most institutions have such a purchasing system, so it shouldn't be too unusual.  I was forced to purchase from other sources like Amazon.  If this were for my personal life, I'd boycott them completely.


On Fri, Aug 31, 2018 at 11:58 AM Doug Hayman <dhayman at uw.edu<mailto:dhayman at uw.edu>> wrote:
I was buying the Echo directly from Livescribe.com a few months ago.

They have been an irritating company to deal with over the years.  A few Echo devices we'd loan out all had the screens fail on them with the company offering what, $67 to trade in for another one.

They have had the wireless one come an go in a short span of time and used to have a pro-pack with pen and 4 notebooks but haven't found that one recently.

Some of our DO-IT Scholars have been more interested in using Sonocent.





On Fri, Aug 31, 2018 at 8:39 AM, Matson, Eric (ecmatson at uidaho.edu<mailto:ecmatson at uidaho.edu>) <ecmatson at uidaho.edu<mailto:ecmatson at uidaho.edu>> wrote:
Hi all,

New to the list, so I apologize if this topic has already been covered. I currently have students waiting for a smart pen as a note taking accommodation. We have been using the Live Scribe Echo, but when I went to buy more yesterday, every place is sold out. The students have already been waiting for two weeks, thanks to an Amazon shipping error that’s looking more and more like will end up being  refunded. With all that in mind I started looking into the Live Scribe 3, but have some concerns, so was wondering if anyone has used that model?

My main concern is the 3 doesn’t have a built in mic, so the student would have to use their phone to record audio. Looking at reviews, the app that goes with the pen is a battery hog, so I’m worried about students having enough phone charge to get through back to back lectures. We could include that access to power as part of their accommodation, but that doesn’t change the fact that the student then has to make sure they have their phone and charger at all times.

Thanks for any input!


Eric Matson | Assistive Technology Specialist
Center for Disability Access and Resources
Division of Student Affairs
The University of Idaho
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