[Athen] Dragon Dictate for MAC and Microsoft's MathType
Jill Heilman
heilmanj at lafayette.edu
Thu Mar 14 13:15:53 PDT 2019
Follow up questions:
Has anyone used Microsoft Word - MathType with dictation?
Thanks,
Jill
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> Hello - I am new to posting to the group for questions. I am new to
> assisting students with the dictation software. I have a student who would
> like to use Dragon Dictate for MAC to complete Chemistry homework. Does
> Dragon Dictate allow students to dictate chemistry equations or is there a
> software that is compatible with Dragon Dictate for MAC that allows you to
> do Chemistry equations and Math Equations.
>
> Appreciate any information you could provide.
>
> Thanks,
> Jill
> --
>
> Jill Heilman
>
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>
> *Academic Resource Hub*
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> From: foreigntype <foreigntype at gmail.com>
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> Hi Jill et al ATHENites?Nuance has dropped all support for the Dragon
> Dictate for Mac. Don't know if Apple is moving forward with a suitably
> robust dictation software on their own or not.There is a software combo
> that works well for dictation in math. I force Dragon to do all kinds of
> things it wasn't necessarily designed to do, but dictating chemistry is not
> on the "approved list" for sure.You might contact Nancilu McClellan at
> Metroplex Voice Computing to see how feasible it would be to use Math Talk
> & Scientific Notebook with Dragon NS. Only works on Windows as far as I
> know. But it *might* work!.?Here's a link to their website.?
> https://mathtalk.com/Wink HarnerSent from my Samsung Galaxy smartphone.
> -------- Original message --------From: Jill Heilman <
> heilmanj at lafayette.edu> Date: 3/13/19 2:30 PM (GMT-08:00) To:
> athen-list at u.washington.edu Subject: [Athen] Dragon Dictate for MAC for
> Chemistry homework Hello - I am new to posting to the group for questions.
> I am new to assisting students with the dictation software.? I have a
> student who would like to use Dragon Dictate for MAC to complete Chemistry
> homework.? Does Dragon Dictate allow students to dictate chemistry
> equations or is there a software that is compatible with Dragon Dictate for
> MAC that allows you to do Chemistry equations and Math
> Equations.??Appreciate any information you could?provide.Thanks,Jill-- Jill
> HeilmanAssociate DirectorAcademic Resource HubLafayette College ~ 312 Scott
> Hall610-330-5071 ~?heilmanj at lafayette.edu
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> From: Shelley Haven <ShelleyHaven at techpotential.net>
> To: ATHEN <athen-list at u.washington.edu>
> Subject: Re: [Athen] Dragon Dictate for MAC for Chemistry homework
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> Please forgive the long post ? I?m suddenly full of ideas. ;-)
>
> As Wink mentioned, Nuance no longer supports Dragon Dictate for Mac, nor
> do they sell it. However, if you already have or purchase their last
> versions (v5 and v6) and install the last updates provided by Nuance, the
> software still works with macOS 10.12 & 10.13 (Sierra & High Sierra), but
> only somewhat works with macOS 10.14 (Mohave).
>
> Why this might be helpful: you can create your own dictation macros in
> Dragon for Mac using Manage Commands? (under the Dragon icon in the Mac's
> main menu bar). Specify the app in which your new commands will work (or
> specify ?Global?), click + to add a new command, then enter the Command
> Name (what the user will say) and define what will happen as a result.
> That ?what will happen? can be as simple as entering a series of keystrokes
> to running an AppleScript or an Automator Workflow.
>
> So for example, if I wanted to type the formula for sulfuric acid into
> Apple Pages, I would use the following keystrokes:
> H
> Cmd-Ctrl-minus sign (to get subscripted text)
> 2
> Cmd-Ctrl-minus sign (to un-subscript)
> S
> O
> Cmd-Ctrl-minus sign
> 4
> Cmd-Ctrl-minus sign
>
> I could enter these keystrokes into a macro called ?sulphuric acid?, and
> every time I spoke that phase, the correctly-formatted formula would be
> typed. (BTW, I just tried this to make sure it works ? it does!)
>
> You can take a similar approach with the Dictation Commands utility built
> into macOS (System Preferences > Accessibility > Dictation Commands).
> Click + to create a new command, name the command (When I say:), then
> select Paste Text (under Perform:) and paste a text string you?ve
> previously created in Pages, Word, etc., complete with subscripts and the
> like. (Again, I just tried this, too, and it works!)
>
> You might consider using either of these methods to create text strings
> for the most common elements plus the most commonly-used molecules and
> formulas (O2, water, various acids and alkalines, benzene, other organic
> compounds ? go wild!). For the Dictation Commands approach, I find it
> easiest to type a page of these macro formulas first (complete with
> subscripts, etc.), making it easy to copy-and-paste these into the Paste
> Text box. (Tip: type that original page of formulas using the same app the
> student will use for dictating the macros.)
>
> You might also consider using either approach with the math and science
> entry software by Efofex.com <http://efofex.com/> ? FX Chem, FX
> ChemStruct, and FX Equation. (FX ChemStruct <
> https://www.efofex.com/fxchemstruct.php> actually draws the chemical
> structures!) Again, you would need to first create individual speech
> macros by entering the series of keystrokes needed to type the desired
> formulas, etc. (Be aware that Efofex?s tools use their own unique entry
> methods.)
>
> Will this take some time and effort to set up? Of course. But depending
> on the complexity of the chemistry course being taken, a carefully-selected
> combination of chemistry symbols, common formulas, and some formula
> fragments shouldn?t take too long, but would provide the student with an
> adequate speech macro library from which to dictate chemistry homework.
>
> Good luck!
> - Shelley
>
> _____________________________
> Shelley Haven ATP, RET
> Assistive Technology Consultant
> www.TechPotential.net
>
>
>
> > On Mar 13, 2019, at 4:10 PM, foreigntype <foreigntype at gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > Hi Jill et al ATHENites
> >
> > Nuance has dropped all support for the Dragon Dictate for Mac. Don't
> know if Apple is moving forward with a suitably robust dictation software
> on their own or not.
> >
> > There is a software combo that works well for dictation in math. I force
> Dragon to do all kinds of things it wasn't necessarily designed to do, but
> dictating chemistry is not on the "approved list" for sure.
> >
> > You might contact Nancilu McClellan at Metroplex Voice Computing to see
> how feasible it would be to use Math Talk & Scientific Notebook with Dragon
> NS. Only works on Windows as far as I know. But it *might* work!. Here's a
> link to their website.
> > https://mathtalk.com/
> >
> > Wink Harner
> >
> >
> > Sent from my Samsung Galaxy smartphone.
> >
> > -------- Original message --------
> > From: Jill Heilman <heilmanj at lafayette.edu>
> > Date: 3/13/19 2:30 PM (GMT-08:00)
> > To: athen-list at u.washington.edu
> > Subject: [Athen] Dragon Dictate for MAC for Chemistry homework
> >
> > Hello - I am new to posting to the group for questions. I am new to
> assisting students with the dictation software. I have a student who would
> like to use Dragon Dictate for MAC to complete Chemistry homework. Does
> Dragon Dictate allow students to dictate chemistry equations or is there a
> software that is compatible with Dragon Dictate for MAC that allows you to
> do Chemistry equations and Math Equations.
> >
> > Appreciate any information you could provide.
> >
> > Thanks,
> > Jill
> > --
> > Jill Heilman
> >
> > Associate Director
> >
> > Academic Resource Hub
> >
> > Lafayette College ~ 312 Scott Hall
> >
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> From: foreigntype <foreigntype at gmail.com>
> To: Access Technology Higher Education Network
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> Subject: Re: [Athen] Dragon Dictate for MAC for Chemistry homework
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> ?hi all??When I said that I could provoke Dragon Naturally Speaking into
> doing things it was not necessarily designed to do, let me clarify. I wrote
> macros so that I could dictate Braille. I also wrote macros so I could
> dictate physics, and?chemistry. It is not for the faint of heart. It is
> difficult and time- consuming, however beneficial in the long run! I
> trained more than 900 macro commands to do alternative textbook conversion
> for Kurzweil in physics and chemistry.I am the guru in the Windows
> operating system for Dragon Naturally Speaking. Shelley knows a lot more
> about the Mac system. Between the two of us we could probably figure this
> out for your student!WinkSent from my Samsung Galaxy smartphone.
> -------- Original message --------From: Shelley Haven <
> ShelleyHaven at techpotential.net> Date: 3/13/19 5:53 PM (GMT-08:00) To:
> ATHEN <athen-list at u.washington.edu> Subject: Re: [Athen] Dragon Dictate
> for MAC for Chemistry homework Please forgive the long post ? I?m suddenly
> full of ideas. ;-)As Wink mentioned, Nuance no longer supports Dragon
> Dictate for Mac, nor do they sell it. ?However, if you already have or
> purchase their last versions (v5 and v6) and install the last updates
> provided by Nuance, the software still works with macOS 10.12 & 10.13
> (Sierra & High Sierra), but only somewhat works with macOS 10.14
> (Mohave).Why this might be helpful: you can create your own dictation
> macros in Dragon for Mac using Manage Commands? (under the Dragon icon in
> the Mac's main menu bar). ?Specify the app in which your new commands will
> work (or specify ?Global?), click + to add a new command, then enter the
> Command Name (what the user will say) and define what will happen as a
> result!
> . ?That ?what will happen? can be as simple as entering a series of
> keystrokes to running an AppleScript or an Automator Workflow.So for
> example, if I wanted to type the formula for sulfuric acid into Apple
> Pages, I would use the following keystrokes:HCmd-Ctrl-minus sign (to get
> subscripted text)2Cmd-Ctrl-minus sign (to un-subscript)SOCmd-Ctrl-minus
> sign4Cmd-Ctrl-minus signI could enter these keystrokes into a macro called
> ?sulphuric acid?, and every time I spoke that phase, the
> correctly-formatted formula would be typed. ?(BTW, I just tried this to
> make sure it works ? it does!)You can take a similar approach with the
> Dictation Commands utility built into macOS (System Preferences >
> Accessibility > Dictation Commands). ?Click + to create a new command, name
> the command (When I say:), then select Paste Text (under Perform:) and
> paste a text string you?ve previously created in Pages, Word, etc.,
> complete with subscripts and the like. ?(Again, I just tried this, too, and
> it w!
> orks!)You might consider using either of these methods to crea!
> te text strings for the most common elements plus the most commonly-used
> molecules and formulas (O2, water, various acids and alkalines, benzene,
> other organic compounds ? go wild!). ?For the Dictation Commands approach,
> I find it easiest to type a page of these macro formulas first (complete
> with subscripts, etc.), making it easy to copy-and-paste these into the
> Paste Text box. ?(Tip: type that original page of formulas using the same
> app the student will use for dictating the macros.)You might also consider
> using either approach with the math and science entry software by
> Efofex.com?? FX Chem, FX ChemStruct, and FX Equation. ?(FX
> ChemStruct?actually draws the chemical structures!) ?Again, you would need
> to first create individual speech macros by entering the series of
> keystrokes needed to type the desired formulas, etc. ?(Be aware that
> Efofex?s tools use their own unique entry methods.)Will this take some time
> and effort to set up? ?Of course. ?But depending on the compl!
> exity of the chemistry course being taken, a carefully-selected
> combination of chemistry symbols, common formulas, and some formula
> fragments shouldn?t take too long, but would provide the student with an
> adequate speech macro library from which to dictate chemistry homework.Good
> luck!- Shelley
> _____________________________Shelley Haven ?ATP, RETAssistive Technology
> Consultantwww.TechPotential.net
>
> On Mar 13, 2019, at 4:10 PM, foreigntype <foreigntype at gmail.com> wrote:Hi
> Jill et al ATHENites?Nuance has dropped all support for the Dragon Dictate
> for Mac. Don't know if Apple is moving forward with a suitably robust
> dictation software on their own or not.There is a software combo that works
> well for dictation in math. I force Dragon to do all kinds of things it
> wasn't necessarily designed to do, but dictating chemistry is not on the
> "approved list" for sure.You might contact Nancilu McClellan at Metroplex
> Voice Computing to see how feasible it would be to use Math Talk &
> Scientific Notebook with Dragon NS. Only works on Windows as far as I know.
> But it *might* work!.?Here's a link to their website.?
> https://mathtalk.com/Wink HarnerSent from my Samsung Galaxy
> smartphone.-------- Original message --------From: Jill Heilman <
> heilmanj at lafayette.edu> Date: 3/13/19 2:30 PM (GMT-08:00) To:
> athen-list at u.washington.edu Subject: [Athen] Dragon Dictate for MAC for
> Chemistry homewor!
> k Hello - I am new to posting to the group for questions. I am new to
> assisting students with the dictation software.? I have a student who would
> like to use Dragon Dictate for MAC to complete Chemistry homework.? Does
> Dragon Dictate allow students to dictate chemistry equations or is there a
> software that is compatible with Dragon Dictate for MAC that allows you to
> do Chemistry equations and Math Equations.??Appreciate any information you
> could?provide.Thanks,Jill-- Jill HeilmanAssociate DirectorAcademic Resource
> HubLafayette College ~ 312 Scott Hall610-330-5071 ~?heilmanj at lafayette.edu
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> From: "Sorensen, Neal B" <neal.sorensen at mnsu.edu>
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> Hello all,
>
> I have a student who came to see me a while back who is struggling in a
> developmental algebra course using WebAssign. They asked about
> text-to-speech to use with homework and exams. I have seen Equatio in
> action (thanks for Susan's webinar), and have shown it around the office.
> Right now we don't have any licenses of that purchased, but we are
> considering showing it to the math department to hopefully entice them into
> buying it. Until then, I'm still stuck with a student who could use
> mathematical TTS. Are there any other tools out there that this student
> could use to read math on the WebAssign platform?
>
> I was considering Copy/Pasting LaTeX into CAR, but the student doesn't
> have a computer of their own to install it on. They are a non-traditional
> student and not very comfortable with computers... So I'm at a bit of a
> loss. Any ideas?
>
> Neal Sorensen
> Access Specialist
> Accessibility Resources
> Minnesota State University, Mankato
> 132 Memorial Library
> Mankato, MN 56001
>
> Phone: 507-389-5242
> FAX: 507-389-1199
> Email: neal.sorensen at mnsu.edu<mailto:neal.sorensen at mnsu.edu>
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> Hello all!
> I'm reaching out to see if anyone has feedback on using the Livescribe 3-
> or Aegir- model pens that do not have a microphone and require the use of a
> iphone/android/ipad to record the audio portion.
> Specifically, I'm curious if anyone is using these newer devices in a peer
> notetaker/note sharing model and how that is working for you in regards to
> the notetaker using his/her personal device or an equipment loan from DSS.
> If you'd rather share your experience off the listserv my email is
> jillian.pfau at montgomerycollege.edu<mailto:
> jillian.pfau at montgomerycollege.edu>.
>
> Thanks and best regards,
> Jillian
>
>
> Jillian Pfau
> Collegewide Coordinator of Assistive Technology
> Disability Support Services
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> From: Wink Harner <foreigntype at gmail.com>
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> Hi Neal,
>
> it's entirely possible that you could arrange with text help to get a free
> teacher's license ? it used to be free, in any case ? of Equatio for this
> purpose, at least for the purposes of testing whether or not it would work
> with web assign (I think it will), you could at the very least, petition
> for a free copy for your office & wherever the testing center is if that's
> where the test is being given. Or perhaps you could get one for the
> student who needs a copy of it to take a test online.
>
> Here's a link:
>
> https://www.texthelp.com/en-us/company/education-blog/november-2017/equatio-is-now-free-for-teachers/
>
> Not to throw too many rocks in the road, but as far as I know, Equatio only
> works in Chrome, and WebAssign does not work in Chrome. Perhaps someone
> with more experience in the online testing environment has
> another workaround or suggestion.
>
> Wink Harner
>
>
>
> On Thu, Mar 14, 2019 at 5:53 AM Sorensen, Neal B <neal.sorensen at mnsu.edu>
> wrote:
>
> > Hello all,
> >
> >
> >
> > I have a student who came to see me a while back who is struggling in a
> > developmental algebra course using WebAssign. They asked about
> > text-to-speech to use with homework and exams. I have seen Equatio in
> > action (thanks for Susan?s webinar), and have shown it around the office.
> > Right now we don?t have any licenses of that purchased, but we are
> > considering showing it to the math department to hopefully entice them
> into
> > buying it. Until then, I?m still stuck with a student who could use
> > mathematical TTS. Are there any other tools out there that this student
> > could use to read math on the WebAssign platform?
> >
> > I was considering Copy/Pasting LaTeX into CAR, but the student doesn?t
> > have a computer of their own to install it on. They are a non-traditional
> > student and not very comfortable with computers? So I?m at a bit of a
> loss.
> > Any ideas?
> >
> >
> >
> > Neal Sorensen
> >
> > Access Specialist
> >
> > Accessibility Resources
> >
> > Minnesota State University, Mankato
> >
> > 132 Memorial Library
> >
> > Mankato, MN 56001
> >
> >
> >
> > Phone: 507-389-5242
> >
> > FAX: 507-389-1199
> >
> > Email: *neal.sorensen at mnsu.edu <neal.sorensen at mnsu.edu>*
> >
> >
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> From: Robert Spangler <rspangler1 at udayton.edu>
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> Subject: Re: [Athen] Dragon Dictate for MAC for Chemistry homework
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> Hello, I wonder if EquatIO from Texthelp would be useful in this case. We
> just finished evaluating this software, since we have many students with
> concussions or who break their dominant hand and who need to be able to
> dictate temporarily. We found that it does have a bit of a learning curve,
> especially if the student is not in a math-intensive major, but just
> throwing it out there. I do recall seeing some chemistry equations in it.
> There is a dictate feature and, if you dictate the equation in the manner
> in which the program expects it, it accurately inputs it into a Word
> document. Commonly-used equations can be inserted with just a click.
>
>
> On Thu, Mar 14, 2019 at 12:38 AM foreigntype <foreigntype at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> > hi all
> >
> > When I said that I could provoke Dragon Naturally Speaking into doing
> > things it was not necessarily designed to do, let me clarify. I wrote
> > macros so that I could dictate Braille. I also wrote macros so I could
> > dictate physics, and chemistry. It is not for the faint of heart. It is
> > difficult and time- consuming, however beneficial in the long run! I
> > trained more than 900 macro commands to do alternative textbook
> conversion
> > for Kurzweil in physics and chemistry.
> >
> > I am the guru in the Windows operating system for Dragon Naturally
> > Speaking. Shelley knows a lot more about the Mac system. Between the two
> of
> > us we could probably figure this out for your student!
> >
> > Wink
> >
> >
> > Sent from my Samsung Galaxy smartphone.
> >
> > -------- Original message --------
> > From: Shelley Haven <ShelleyHaven at techpotential.net>
> > Date: 3/13/19 5:53 PM (GMT-08:00)
> > To: ATHEN <athen-list at u.washington.edu>
> > Subject: Re: [Athen] Dragon Dictate for MAC for Chemistry homework
> >
> > Please forgive the long post ? I?m suddenly full of ideas. ;-)
> >
> > As Wink mentioned, Nuance no longer supports Dragon Dictate for Mac, nor
> > do they sell it. However, if you already have or purchase their last
> > versions (v5 and v6) and install the last updates provided by Nuance, the
> > software still works with macOS 10.12 & 10.13 (Sierra & High Sierra), but
> > only somewhat works with macOS 10.14 (Mohave).
> >
> > Why this might be helpful: you can create your own dictation macros in
> > Dragon for Mac using Manage Commands? (under the Dragon icon in the Mac's
> > main menu bar). Specify the app in which your new commands will work (or
> > specify ?Global?), click + to add a new command, then enter the Command
> > Name (what the user will say) and define what will happen as a result.
> > That ?what will happen? can be as simple as entering a series of
> keystrokes
> > to running an AppleScript or an Automator Workflow.
> >
> > So for example, if I wanted to *type* the formula for sulfuric acid into
> > Apple Pages, I would use the following keystrokes:
> > H
> > Cmd-Ctrl-minus sign (to get subscripted text)
> > 2
> > Cmd-Ctrl-minus sign (to un-subscript)
> > S
> > O
> > Cmd-Ctrl-minus sign
> > 4
> > Cmd-Ctrl-minus sign
> >
> > I could enter these keystrokes into a macro called ?sulphuric acid?, and
> > every time I spoke that phase, the correctly-formatted formula would be
> > typed. (BTW, I just tried this to make sure it works ? it does!)
> >
> > You can take a similar approach with the Dictation Commands utility built
> > into macOS (System Preferences > Accessibility > Dictation Commands).
> > Click + to create a new command, name the command (When I say:), then
> > select Paste Text (under Perform:) and paste a text string you?ve
> > previously created in Pages, Word, etc., complete with subscripts and the
> > like. (Again, I just tried this, too, and it works!)
> >
> > You might consider using either of these methods to create text strings
> > for the most common elements plus the most commonly-used molecules and
> > formulas (O2, water, various acids and alkalines, benzene, other organic
> > compounds ? go wild!). For the Dictation Commands approach, I find it
> > easiest to type a page of these macro formulas first (complete with
> > subscripts, etc.), making it easy to copy-and-paste these into the Paste
> > Text box. (Tip: type that original page of formulas using the same app
> the
> > student will use for dictating the macros.)
> >
> > You might also consider using either approach with the math and science
> > entry software by Efofex.com ? FX Chem, FX ChemStruct, and FX Equation.
> (FX
> > ChemStruct <https://www.efofex.com/fxchemstruct.php> actually draws the
> > chemical structures!) Again, you would need to first create individual
> > speech macros by entering the series of keystrokes needed to type the
> > desired formulas, etc. (Be aware that Efofex?s tools use their own
> unique
> > entry methods.)
> >
> > Will this take some time and effort to set up? Of course. But depending
> > on the complexity of the chemistry course being taken, a
> carefully-selected
> > combination of chemistry symbols, common formulas, and some formula
> > fragments shouldn?t take too long, but would provide the student with an
> > adequate speech macro library from which to dictate chemistry homework.
> >
> > Good luck!
> > - Shelley
> >
> > _____________________________
> > Shelley Haven ATP, RET
> > Assistive Technology Consultant
> > www.TechPotential.net
> >
> >
> >
> > On Mar 13, 2019, at 4:10 PM, foreigntype <foreigntype at gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > Hi Jill et al ATHENites
> >
> > Nuance has dropped all support for the Dragon Dictate for Mac. Don't know
> > if Apple is moving forward with a suitably robust dictation software on
> > their own or not.
> >
> > There is a software combo that works well for dictation in math. I force
> > Dragon to do all kinds of things it wasn't necessarily designed to do,
> but
> > dictating chemistry is not on the "approved list" for sure.
> >
> > You might contact Nancilu McClellan at Metroplex Voice Computing to see
> > how feasible it would be to use Math Talk & Scientific Notebook with
> Dragon
> > NS. Only works on Windows as far as I know. But it *might* work!. Here's
> > a link to their website.
> > https://mathtalk.com/
> >
> > Wink Harner
> >
> >
> > Sent from my Samsung Galaxy smartphone.
> >
> > -------- Original message --------
> > From: Jill Heilman <heilmanj at lafayette.edu>
> > Date: 3/13/19 2:30 PM (GMT-08:00)
> > To: athen-list at u.washington.edu
> > Subject: [Athen] Dragon Dictate for MAC for Chemistry homework
> >
> > Hello - I am new to posting to the group for questions. I am new to
> > assisting students with the dictation software. I have a student who
> would
> > like to use Dragon Dictate for MAC to complete Chemistry homework. Does
> > Dragon Dictate allow students to dictate chemistry equations or is there
> a
> > software that is compatible with Dragon Dictate for MAC that allows you
> to
> > do Chemistry equations and Math Equations.
> >
> > Appreciate any information you could provide.
> >
> > Thanks,
> > Jill
> > --
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> >
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> Date: Thu, 14 Mar 2019 13:16:15 -0400
> From: Robert Spangler <rspangler1 at udayton.edu>
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> Subject: [Athen] Dragon for Mac
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> I just saw in another thread on here that Nuance is no longer supporting
> Dragon for Mac and that it does not work well with the newest MacOS
> version. We have many students who are eligible to use Dragon and who also
> use Macs, so this will create an issue for us eventually. What are folks
> planning on using in place of Dragon Dictate?
>
> Thanks,
> Robert
>
>
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> Robert Spangler
> Disability Services Technical Support Specialist
> rspangler1 at udayton.edu
> Office of Learning Resources (OLR) - RL 023
> Ryan C. Harris Learning & Teaching Center (LTC)
> University of Dayton | 300 College Park | Dayton, Ohio 45469-1302
> Phone: 937-229-2066
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> From: Liza Eldred <CherniwchanL at macewan.ca>
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> Hi,
>
> We are planning on using the built-in dictation feature in the Mac OS.
> The latest OS, Mojave, has the dictation settings under Keyboard ? Input,
> and in the Accessibility settings.
> The student would not have to setup a profile which will save time.
> We have not had a lot of time to play around with the features and
> functionality but are hoping that it will be a suitable replacement for
> Dragon Dictate. Our fingers are crossed!
> Thanks
> Liza
>
> Liza Eldred
> cherniwchanl at macewan.ca
> Assistive Technology Specialist
> Assistive Computer Technology Service
> Services to Students with Disabilities
> MacEwan University
> 7-198D-2, 10700 - 104 Avenue
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> From: athen-list <athen-list-bounces at mailman12.u.washington.edu> On
> Behalf Of Robert Spangler
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> To: Access Technology Higher Education Network <
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> Subject: [Athen] Dragon for Mac
>
> I just saw in another thread on here that Nuance is no longer supporting
> Dragon for Mac and that it does not work well with the newest MacOS
> version. We have many students who are eligible to use Dragon and who also
> use Macs, so this will create an issue for us eventually. What are folks
> planning on using in place of Dragon Dictate?
>
> Thanks,
> Robert
>
>
> --
> Robert Spangler
> Disability Services Technical Support Specialist
> rspangler1 at udayton.edu<mailto:rspangler1 at udayton.edu>
> Office of Learning Resources (OLR) - RL 023
> Ryan C. Harris Learning & Teaching Center (LTC)
> University of Dayton | 300 College Park | Dayton, Ohio 45469-1302
> Phone: 937-229-2066
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> Date: Thu, 14 Mar 2019 13:59:22 -0400
> From: Robert Spangler <rspangler1 at udayton.edu>
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> Subject: Re: [Athen] Dragon for Mac
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> Yeah I hope so, too. I played around with the dictation features in
> Windows a couple of years back and found them to be far inferior to Dragon,
> as far as the accuracy in which it understood me. So hopefully Apple's is
> better. I'll need to find a way to get my hands on a modern Mac; I have an
> old Mac Mini from 2010 which I doubt will run Mojave.
>
>
> On Thu, Mar 14, 2019 at 1:34 PM Liza Eldred <CherniwchanL at macewan.ca>
> wrote:
>
> > Hi,
> >
> >
> >
> > We are planning on using the built-in dictation feature in the Mac OS.
> >
> > The latest OS, Mojave, has the dictation settings under Keyboard ? Input,
> > and in the Accessibility settings.
> >
> > The student would not have to setup a profile which will save time.
> >
> > We have not had a lot of time to play around with the features and
> > functionality but are hoping that it will be a suitable replacement for
> > Dragon Dictate. Our fingers are crossed!
> >
> > Thanks
> >
> > Liza
> >
> >
> >
> > *Liza Eldred*
> >
> > *cherniwchanl at macewan.ca <cherniwchanl at macewan.ca>*
> >
> >
> > *Assistive Technology Specialist **Assistive Computer Technology Service*
> >
> > *Services to Students with Disabilities*
> >
> >
> > *MacEwan University *
> > *7-198D-2, 10700 - 104 Avenue Edmonton, AB (780) 497-5826*
> >
> >
> > *Fax: 780-497-4018 **www.macewan.ca <http://www.macewan.ca>*
> >
> >
> >
> > *This communication is intended for the use of the recipient to whom it
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> >
> >
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> >
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> > *From:* athen-list <athen-list-bounces at mailman12.u.washington.edu> *On
> > Behalf Of *Robert Spangler
> > *Sent:* Thursday, March 14, 2019 11:16 AM
> > *To:* Access Technology Higher Education Network <
> > athen-list at u.washington.edu>
> > *Subject:* [Athen] Dragon for Mac
> >
> >
> >
> > I just saw in another thread on here that Nuance is no longer supporting
> > Dragon for Mac and that it does not work well with the newest MacOS
> > version. We have many students who are eligible to use Dragon and who
> also
> > use Macs, so this will create an issue for us eventually. What are folks
> > planning on using in place of Dragon Dictate?
> >
> >
> >
> > Thanks,
> >
> > Robert
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > --
> >
> > Robert Spangler
> > Disability Services Technical Support Specialist
> > rspangler1 at udayton.edu
> > Office of Learning Resources (OLR) - RL 023
> > Ryan C. Harris Learning & Teaching Center (LTC)
> > University of Dayton | 300 College Park | Dayton, Ohio 45469-1302
> > Phone: 937-229-2066
> >
> > Fax: 937-229-3270
> >
> > Ohio Relay: 711 (available for individuals who are deaf or hard of
> hearing)
> >
> > Web Site: http://go.udayton.edu/learning
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