[Athen] Dragon Dictate for MAC and Microsoft's MathType
Shelley Haven
ShelleyHaven at techpotential.net
Thu Mar 14 14:01:15 PDT 2019
Hi, Jill!
> Has anyone used Microsoft Word - MathType with dictation?
I have. To make it work, I used the same macro-creation strategies I outlined earlier for Dragon for Mac and the macOS Dictation Commands.
MathType (whether used with Word or oodles of other apps) has the advantage that all of its symbols and templates (i.e., arrangements of symbols, like fractions or integrals) have keyboard equivalents, which makes creating macros simpler.
On the flip side, one still has to create lots of macros — each number, letter, Greek letter, operand, types of brackets, relative arrangement of symbols (including super/subscripts, over/underbars, cross-outs, etc. etc.) — that’s a lot of work!
I went down this path (Dragon for Mac + MathType) for a college student using a Mac for a while, but we ultimately decided the better option was to use MathTalk <http://www.mathtalk.com/> (which Wink mentioned) in Windows running as a virtual machine on the student’s Mac via VMware Fusion or Parallels Desktop. (This student was doing triple-integral calculus, so MathTalk + VMware was definitely the more elegant solution.)
Also worth noting: Design Science’s MathType was acquired last year by WIRIS <http://www.wiris.com/> which already had its own “WIRIS Editor” online math tool that works with Google Docs. The company renamed their WIRIS Editor “MathType Web” even though it looks and works differently from MathType Desktop, which is based on Design Science’s MathType. My comments above refer to WIRIS’s MathType Desktop, not MathType Web. WIRIS also offers a MathType Add-On for Microsoft Office, but it looks and works like their MathType Web.
Hope this helps,
Shelley
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> On Mar 14, 2019, at 1:15 PM, Jill Heilman <heilmanj at lafayette.edu> wrote:
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> Hello - I am new to posting to the group for questions. I am new to
> assisting students with the dictation software. I have a student who would
> like to use Dragon Dictate for MAC to complete Chemistry homework. Does
> Dragon Dictate allow students to dictate chemistry equations or is there a
> software that is compatible with Dragon Dictate for MAC that allows you to
> do Chemistry equations and Math Equations.
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> Appreciate any information you could provide.
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> Thanks,
> Jill
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> Hi Jill et al ATHENites?Nuance has dropped all support for the Dragon Dictate for Mac. Don't know if Apple is moving forward with a suitably robust dictation software on their own or not.There is a software combo that works well for dictation in math. I force Dragon to do all kinds of things it wasn't necessarily designed to do, but dictating chemistry is not on the "approved list" for sure.You might contact Nancilu McClellan at Metroplex Voice Computing to see how feasible it would be to use Math Talk & Scientific Notebook with Dragon NS. Only works on Windows as far as I know. But it *might* work!.?Here's a link to their website.?https://mathtalk.com/Wink <https://mathtalk.com/Wink> HarnerSent from my Samsung Galaxy smartphone.
> -------- Original message --------From: Jill Heilman <heilmanj at lafayette.edu <mailto:heilmanj at lafayette.edu>> Date: 3/13/19 2:30 PM (GMT-08:00) To: athen-list at u.washington.edu <mailto:athen-list at u.washington.edu> Subject: [Athen] Dragon Dictate for MAC for Chemistry homework Hello - I am new to posting to the group for questions. I am new to assisting students with the dictation software.? I have a student who would like to use Dragon Dictate for MAC to complete Chemistry homework.? Does Dragon Dictate allow students to dictate chemistry equations or is there a software that is compatible with Dragon Dictate for MAC that allows you to do Chemistry equations and Math Equations.??Appreciate any information you could?provide.Thanks,Jill-- Jill HeilmanAssociate DirectorAcademic Resource HubLafayette College ~ 312 Scott Hall610-330-5071 ~?heilmanj at lafayette.edu <mailto:heilmanj at lafayette.edu>
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> Please forgive the long post ? I?m suddenly full of ideas. ;-)
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> As Wink mentioned, Nuance no longer supports Dragon Dictate for Mac, nor do they sell it. However, if you already have or purchase their last versions (v5 and v6) and install the last updates provided by Nuance, the software still works with macOS 10.12 & 10.13 (Sierra & High Sierra), but only somewhat works with macOS 10.14 (Mohave).
>
> Why this might be helpful: you can create your own dictation macros in Dragon for Mac using Manage Commands? (under the Dragon icon in the Mac's main menu bar). Specify the app in which your new commands will work (or specify ?Global?), click + to add a new command, then enter the Command Name (what the user will say) and define what will happen as a result. That ?what will happen? can be as simple as entering a series of keystrokes to running an AppleScript or an Automator Workflow.
>
> So for example, if I wanted to type the formula for sulfuric acid into Apple Pages, I would use the following keystrokes:
> H
> Cmd-Ctrl-minus sign (to get subscripted text)
> 2
> Cmd-Ctrl-minus sign (to un-subscript)
> S
> O
> Cmd-Ctrl-minus sign
> 4
> Cmd-Ctrl-minus sign
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> I could enter these keystrokes into a macro called ?sulphuric acid?, and every time I spoke that phase, the correctly-formatted formula would be typed. (BTW, I just tried this to make sure it works ? it does!)
>
> You can take a similar approach with the Dictation Commands utility built into macOS (System Preferences > Accessibility > Dictation Commands). Click + to create a new command, name the command (When I say:), then select Paste Text (under Perform:) and paste a text string you?ve previously created in Pages, Word, etc., complete with subscripts and the like. (Again, I just tried this, too, and it works!)
>
> You might consider using either of these methods to create text strings for the most common elements plus the most commonly-used molecules and formulas (O2, water, various acids and alkalines, benzene, other organic compounds ? go wild!). For the Dictation Commands approach, I find it easiest to type a page of these macro formulas first (complete with subscripts, etc.), making it easy to copy-and-paste these into the Paste Text box. (Tip: type that original page of formulas using the same app the student will use for dictating the macros.)
>
> You might also consider using either approach with the math and science entry software by Efofex.com <http://efofex.com/ <http://efofex.com/>> ? FX Chem, FX ChemStruct, and FX Equation. (FX ChemStruct <https://www.efofex.com/fxchemstruct.php <https://www.efofex.com/fxchemstruct.php>> actually draws the chemical structures!) Again, you would need to first create individual speech macros by entering the series of keystrokes needed to type the desired formulas, etc. (Be aware that Efofex?s tools use their own unique entry methods.)
>
> Will this take some time and effort to set up? Of course. But depending on the complexity of the chemistry course being taken, a carefully-selected combination of chemistry symbols, common formulas, and some formula fragments shouldn?t take too long, but would provide the student with an adequate speech macro library from which to dictate chemistry homework.
>
> Good luck!
> - Shelley
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> _____________________________
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> www.TechPotential.net <http://www.techpotential.net/>
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> > On Mar 13, 2019, at 4:10 PM, foreigntype <foreigntype at gmail.com <mailto:foreigntype at gmail.com>> wrote:
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> > Hi Jill et al ATHENites
> >
> > Nuance has dropped all support for the Dragon Dictate for Mac. Don't know if Apple is moving forward with a suitably robust dictation software on their own or not.
> >
> > There is a software combo that works well for dictation in math. I force Dragon to do all kinds of things it wasn't necessarily designed to do, but dictating chemistry is not on the "approved list" for sure.
> >
> > You might contact Nancilu McClellan at Metroplex Voice Computing to see how feasible it would be to use Math Talk & Scientific Notebook with Dragon NS. Only works on Windows as far as I know. But it *might* work!. Here's a link to their website.
> > https://mathtalk.com/ <https://mathtalk.com/>
> >
> > Wink Harner
> >
> >
> > Sent from my Samsung Galaxy smartphone.
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> > From: Jill Heilman <heilmanj at lafayette.edu <mailto:heilmanj at lafayette.edu>>
> > Date: 3/13/19 2:30 PM (GMT-08:00)
> > To: athen-list at u.washington.edu <mailto:athen-list at u.washington.edu>
> > Subject: [Athen] Dragon Dictate for MAC for Chemistry homework
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> > Hello - I am new to posting to the group for questions. I am new to assisting students with the dictation software. I have a student who would like to use Dragon Dictate for MAC to complete Chemistry homework. Does Dragon Dictate allow students to dictate chemistry equations or is there a software that is compatible with Dragon Dictate for MAC that allows you to do Chemistry equations and Math Equations.
> >
> > Appreciate any information you could provide.
> >
> > Thanks,
> > Jill
> > --
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> > Lafayette College ~ 312 Scott Hall
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> ?hi all??When I said that I could provoke Dragon Naturally Speaking into doing things it was not necessarily designed to do, let me clarify. I wrote macros so that I could dictate Braille. I also wrote macros so I could dictate physics, and?chemistry. It is not for the faint of heart. It is difficult and time- consuming, however beneficial in the long run! I trained more than 900 macro commands to do alternative textbook conversion for Kurzweil in physics and chemistry.I am the guru in the Windows operating system for Dragon Naturally Speaking. Shelley knows a lot more about the Mac system. Between the two of us we could probably figure this out for your student!WinkSent from my Samsung Galaxy smartphone.
> -------- Original message --------From: Shelley Haven <ShelleyHaven at techpotential.net <mailto:ShelleyHaven at techpotential.net>> Date: 3/13/19 5:53 PM (GMT-08:00) To: ATHEN <athen-list at u.washington.edu <mailto:athen-list at u.washington.edu>> Subject: Re: [Athen] Dragon Dictate for MAC for Chemistry homework Please forgive the long post ? I?m suddenly full of ideas. ;-)As Wink mentioned, Nuance no longer supports Dragon Dictate for Mac, nor do they sell it. ?However, if you already have or purchase their last versions (v5 and v6) and install the last updates provided by Nuance, the software still works with macOS 10.12 & 10.13 (Sierra & High Sierra), but only somewhat works with macOS 10.14 (Mohave).Why this might be helpful: you can create your own dictation macros in Dragon for Mac using Manage Commands? (under the Dragon icon in the Mac's main menu bar). ?Specify the app in which your new commands will work (or specify ?Global?), click + to add a new command, then enter the Command Name (what the user will say) and define what will happen as a result!
> . ?That ?what will happen? can be as simple as entering a series of keystrokes to running an AppleScript or an Automator Workflow.So for example, if I wanted to type the formula for sulfuric acid into Apple Pages, I would use the following keystrokes:HCmd-Ctrl-minus sign (to get subscripted text)2Cmd-Ctrl-minus sign (to un-subscript)SOCmd-Ctrl-minus sign4Cmd-Ctrl-minus signI could enter these keystrokes into a macro called ?sulphuric acid?, and every time I spoke that phase, the correctly-formatted formula would be typed. ?(BTW, I just tried this to make sure it works ? it does!)You can take a similar approach with the Dictation Commands utility built into macOS (System Preferences > Accessibility > Dictation Commands). ?Click + to create a new command, name the command (When I say:), then select Paste Text (under Perform:) and paste a text string you?ve previously created in Pages, Word, etc., complete with subscripts and the like. ?(Again, I just tried this, too, and it w!
> orks!)You might consider using either of these methods to crea!
> te text strings for the most common elements plus the most commonly-used molecules and formulas (O2, water, various acids and alkalines, benzene, other organic compounds ? go wild!). ?For the Dictation Commands approach, I find it easiest to type a page of these macro formulas first (complete with subscripts, etc.), making it easy to copy-and-paste these into the Paste Text box. ?(Tip: type that original page of formulas using the same app the student will use for dictating the macros.)You might also consider using either approach with the math and science entry software by Efofex.com?? FX Chem, FX ChemStruct, and FX Equation. ?(FX ChemStruct?actually draws the chemical structures!) ?Again, you would need to first create individual speech macros by entering the series of keystrokes needed to type the desired formulas, etc. ?(Be aware that Efofex?s tools use their own unique entry methods.)Will this take some time and effort to set up? ?Of course. ?But depending on the compl!
> exity of the chemistry course being taken, a carefully-selected combination of chemistry symbols, common formulas, and some formula fragments shouldn?t take too long, but would provide the student with an adequate speech macro library from which to dictate chemistry homework.Good luck!- Shelley
> _____________________________Shelley Haven ?ATP, RETAssistive Technology Consultantwww.TechPotential.net <http://consultantwww.techpotential.net/>
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> On Mar 13, 2019, at 4:10 PM, foreigntype <foreigntype at gmail.com <mailto:foreigntype at gmail.com>> wrote:Hi Jill et al ATHENites?Nuance has dropped all support for the Dragon Dictate for Mac. Don't know if Apple is moving forward with a suitably robust dictation software on their own or not.There is a software combo that works well for dictation in math. I force Dragon to do all kinds of things it wasn't necessarily designed to do, but dictating chemistry is not on the "approved list" for sure.You might contact Nancilu McClellan at Metroplex Voice Computing to see how feasible it would be to use Math Talk & Scientific Notebook with Dragon NS. Only works on Windows as far as I know. But it *might* work!.?Here's a link to their website.?https://mathtalk.com/Wink <https://mathtalk.com/Wink> HarnerSent from my Samsung Galaxy smartphone.-------- Original message --------From: Jill Heilman <heilmanj at lafayette.edu <mailto:heilmanj at lafayette.edu>> Date: 3/13/19 2:30 PM (GMT-08:00) To: athen-list at u.washington.edu <mailto:athen-list at u.washington.edu> Subject: [Athen] Dragon Dictate for MAC for Chemistry homewor!
> k Hello - I am new to posting to the group for questions. I am new to assisting students with the dictation software.? I have a student who would like to use Dragon Dictate for MAC to complete Chemistry homework.? Does Dragon Dictate allow students to dictate chemistry equations or is there a software that is compatible with Dragon Dictate for MAC that allows you to do Chemistry equations and Math Equations.??Appreciate any information you could?provide.Thanks,Jill-- Jill HeilmanAssociate DirectorAcademic Resource HubLafayette College ~ 312 Scott Hall610-330-5071 ~?heilmanj at lafayette.edu <mailto:heilmanj at lafayette.edu>
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> I was considering Copy/Pasting LaTeX into CAR, but the student doesn't have a computer of their own to install it on. They are a non-traditional student and not very comfortable with computers... So I'm at a bit of a loss. Any ideas?
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> Hello all!
> I'm reaching out to see if anyone has feedback on using the Livescribe 3- or Aegir- model pens that do not have a microphone and require the use of a iphone/android/ipad to record the audio portion.
> Specifically, I'm curious if anyone is using these newer devices in a peer notetaker/note sharing model and how that is working for you in regards to the notetaker using his/her personal device or an equipment loan from DSS. If you'd rather share your experience off the listserv my email is jillian.pfau at montgomerycollege.edu <mailto:jillian.pfau at montgomerycollege.edu><mailto:jillian.pfau at montgomerycollege.edu <mailto:jillian.pfau at montgomerycollege.edu>>.
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> Hi Neal,
>
> it's entirely possible that you could arrange with text help to get a free
> teacher's license ? it used to be free, in any case ? of Equatio for this
> purpose, at least for the purposes of testing whether or not it would work
> with web assign (I think it will), you could at the very least, petition
> for a free copy for your office & wherever the testing center is if that's
> where the test is being given. Or perhaps you could get one for the
> student who needs a copy of it to take a test online.
>
> Here's a link:
> https://www.texthelp.com/en-us/company/education-blog/november-2017/equatio-is-now-free-for-teachers/ <https://www.texthelp.com/en-us/company/education-blog/november-2017/equatio-is-now-free-for-teachers/>
>
> Not to throw too many rocks in the road, but as far as I know, Equatio only
> works in Chrome, and WebAssign does not work in Chrome. Perhaps someone
> with more experience in the online testing environment has
> another workaround or suggestion.
>
> Wink Harner
>
>
>
> On Thu, Mar 14, 2019 at 5:53 AM Sorensen, Neal B <neal.sorensen at mnsu.edu <mailto:neal.sorensen at mnsu.edu>>
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> > Hello all,
> >
> >
> >
> > I have a student who came to see me a while back who is struggling in a
> > developmental algebra course using WebAssign. They asked about
> > text-to-speech to use with homework and exams. I have seen Equatio in
> > action (thanks for Susan?s webinar), and have shown it around the office.
> > Right now we don?t have any licenses of that purchased, but we are
> > considering showing it to the math department to hopefully entice them into
> > buying it. Until then, I?m still stuck with a student who could use
> > mathematical TTS. Are there any other tools out there that this student
> > could use to read math on the WebAssign platform?
> >
> > I was considering Copy/Pasting LaTeX into CAR, but the student doesn?t
> > have a computer of their own to install it on. They are a non-traditional
> > student and not very comfortable with computers? So I?m at a bit of a loss.
> > Any ideas?
> >
> >
> >
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> Date: Thu, 14 Mar 2019 13:15:00 -0400
> From: Robert Spangler <rspangler1 at udayton.edu <mailto:rspangler1 at udayton.edu>>
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> Subject: Re: [Athen] Dragon Dictate for MAC for Chemistry homework
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> Hello, I wonder if EquatIO from Texthelp would be useful in this case. We
> just finished evaluating this software, since we have many students with
> concussions or who break their dominant hand and who need to be able to
> dictate temporarily. We found that it does have a bit of a learning curve,
> especially if the student is not in a math-intensive major, but just
> throwing it out there. I do recall seeing some chemistry equations in it.
> There is a dictate feature and, if you dictate the equation in the manner
> in which the program expects it, it accurately inputs it into a Word
> document. Commonly-used equations can be inserted with just a click.
>
>
> On Thu, Mar 14, 2019 at 12:38 AM foreigntype <foreigntype at gmail.com <mailto:foreigntype at gmail.com>> wrote:
>
> > hi all
> >
> > When I said that I could provoke Dragon Naturally Speaking into doing
> > things it was not necessarily designed to do, let me clarify. I wrote
> > macros so that I could dictate Braille. I also wrote macros so I could
> > dictate physics, and chemistry. It is not for the faint of heart. It is
> > difficult and time- consuming, however beneficial in the long run! I
> > trained more than 900 macro commands to do alternative textbook conversion
> > for Kurzweil in physics and chemistry.
> >
> > I am the guru in the Windows operating system for Dragon Naturally
> > Speaking. Shelley knows a lot more about the Mac system. Between the two of
> > us we could probably figure this out for your student!
> >
> > Wink
> >
> >
> > Sent from my Samsung Galaxy smartphone.
> >
> > -------- Original message --------
> > From: Shelley Haven <ShelleyHaven at techpotential.net <mailto:ShelleyHaven at techpotential.net>>
> > Date: 3/13/19 5:53 PM (GMT-08:00)
> > To: ATHEN <athen-list at u.washington.edu <mailto:athen-list at u.washington.edu>>
> > Subject: Re: [Athen] Dragon Dictate for MAC for Chemistry homework
> >
> > Please forgive the long post ? I?m suddenly full of ideas. ;-)
> >
> > As Wink mentioned, Nuance no longer supports Dragon Dictate for Mac, nor
> > do they sell it. However, if you already have or purchase their last
> > versions (v5 and v6) and install the last updates provided by Nuance, the
> > software still works with macOS 10.12 & 10.13 (Sierra & High Sierra), but
> > only somewhat works with macOS 10.14 (Mohave).
> >
> > Why this might be helpful: you can create your own dictation macros in
> > Dragon for Mac using Manage Commands? (under the Dragon icon in the Mac's
> > main menu bar). Specify the app in which your new commands will work (or
> > specify ?Global?), click + to add a new command, then enter the Command
> > Name (what the user will say) and define what will happen as a result.
> > That ?what will happen? can be as simple as entering a series of keystrokes
> > to running an AppleScript or an Automator Workflow.
> >
> > So for example, if I wanted to *type* the formula for sulfuric acid into
> > Apple Pages, I would use the following keystrokes:
> > H
> > Cmd-Ctrl-minus sign (to get subscripted text)
> > 2
> > Cmd-Ctrl-minus sign (to un-subscript)
> > S
> > O
> > Cmd-Ctrl-minus sign
> > 4
> > Cmd-Ctrl-minus sign
> >
> > I could enter these keystrokes into a macro called ?sulphuric acid?, and
> > every time I spoke that phase, the correctly-formatted formula would be
> > typed. (BTW, I just tried this to make sure it works ? it does!)
> >
> > You can take a similar approach with the Dictation Commands utility built
> > into macOS (System Preferences > Accessibility > Dictation Commands).
> > Click + to create a new command, name the command (When I say:), then
> > select Paste Text (under Perform:) and paste a text string you?ve
> > previously created in Pages, Word, etc., complete with subscripts and the
> > like. (Again, I just tried this, too, and it works!)
> >
> > You might consider using either of these methods to create text strings
> > for the most common elements plus the most commonly-used molecules and
> > formulas (O2, water, various acids and alkalines, benzene, other organic
> > compounds ? go wild!). For the Dictation Commands approach, I find it
> > easiest to type a page of these macro formulas first (complete with
> > subscripts, etc.), making it easy to copy-and-paste these into the Paste
> > Text box. (Tip: type that original page of formulas using the same app the
> > student will use for dictating the macros.)
> >
> > You might also consider using either approach with the math and science
> > entry software by Efofex.com ? FX Chem, FX ChemStruct, and FX Equation. (FX
> > ChemStruct <https://www.efofex.com/fxchemstruct.php <https://www.efofex.com/fxchemstruct.php>> actually draws the
> > chemical structures!) Again, you would need to first create individual
> > speech macros by entering the series of keystrokes needed to type the
> > desired formulas, etc. (Be aware that Efofex?s tools use their own unique
> > entry methods.)
> >
> > Will this take some time and effort to set up? Of course. But depending
> > on the complexity of the chemistry course being taken, a carefully-selected
> > combination of chemistry symbols, common formulas, and some formula
> > fragments shouldn?t take too long, but would provide the student with an
> > adequate speech macro library from which to dictate chemistry homework.
> >
> > Good luck!
> > - Shelley
> >
> > _____________________________
> > Shelley Haven ATP, RET
> > Assistive Technology Consultant
> > www.TechPotential.net <http://www.techpotential.net/>
> >
> >
> >
> > On Mar 13, 2019, at 4:10 PM, foreigntype <foreigntype at gmail.com <mailto:foreigntype at gmail.com>> wrote:
> >
> > Hi Jill et al ATHENites
> >
> > Nuance has dropped all support for the Dragon Dictate for Mac. Don't know
> > if Apple is moving forward with a suitably robust dictation software on
> > their own or not.
> >
> > There is a software combo that works well for dictation in math. I force
> > Dragon to do all kinds of things it wasn't necessarily designed to do, but
> > dictating chemistry is not on the "approved list" for sure.
> >
> > You might contact Nancilu McClellan at Metroplex Voice Computing to see
> > how feasible it would be to use Math Talk & Scientific Notebook with Dragon
> > NS. Only works on Windows as far as I know. But it *might* work!. Here's
> > a link to their website.
> > https://mathtalk.com/ <https://mathtalk.com/>
> >
> > Wink Harner
> >
> >
> > Sent from my Samsung Galaxy smartphone.
> >
> > -------- Original message --------
> > From: Jill Heilman <heilmanj at lafayette.edu <mailto:heilmanj at lafayette.edu>>
> > Date: 3/13/19 2:30 PM (GMT-08:00)
> > To: athen-list at u.washington.edu <mailto:athen-list at u.washington.edu>
> > Subject: [Athen] Dragon Dictate for MAC for Chemistry homework
> >
> > Hello - I am new to posting to the group for questions. I am new to
> > assisting students with the dictation software. I have a student who would
> > like to use Dragon Dictate for MAC to complete Chemistry homework. Does
> > Dragon Dictate allow students to dictate chemistry equations or is there a
> > software that is compatible with Dragon Dictate for MAC that allows you to
> > do Chemistry equations and Math Equations.
> >
> > Appreciate any information you could provide.
> >
> > Thanks,
> > Jill
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> Date: Thu, 14 Mar 2019 13:16:15 -0400
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> I just saw in another thread on here that Nuance is no longer supporting
> Dragon for Mac and that it does not work well with the newest MacOS
> version. We have many students who are eligible to use Dragon and who also
> use Macs, so this will create an issue for us eventually. What are folks
> planning on using in place of Dragon Dictate?
>
> Thanks,
> Robert
>
>
> --
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> Phone: 937-229-2066
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> Date: Thu, 14 Mar 2019 17:29:17 +0000
> From: Liza Eldred <CherniwchanL at macewan.ca <mailto:CherniwchanL at macewan.ca>>
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> Subject: Re: [Athen] Dragon for Mac
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> Hi,
>
> We are planning on using the built-in dictation feature in the Mac OS.
> The latest OS, Mojave, has the dictation settings under Keyboard ? Input, and in the Accessibility settings.
> The student would not have to setup a profile which will save time.
> We have not had a lot of time to play around with the features and functionality but are hoping that it will be a suitable replacement for Dragon Dictate. Our fingers are crossed!
> Thanks
> Liza
>
> Liza Eldred
> cherniwchanl at macewan.ca <mailto:cherniwchanl at macewan.ca>
> Assistive Technology Specialist
> Assistive Computer Technology Service
> Services to Students with Disabilities
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> Fax: 780-497-4018
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> From: athen-list <athen-list-bounces at mailman12.u.washington.edu <mailto:athen-list-bounces at mailman12.u.washington.edu>> On Behalf Of Robert Spangler
> Sent: Thursday, March 14, 2019 11:16 AM
> To: Access Technology Higher Education Network <athen-list at u.washington.edu <mailto:athen-list at u.washington.edu>>
> Subject: [Athen] Dragon for Mac
>
> I just saw in another thread on here that Nuance is no longer supporting Dragon for Mac and that it does not work well with the newest MacOS version. We have many students who are eligible to use Dragon and who also use Macs, so this will create an issue for us eventually. What are folks planning on using in place of Dragon Dictate?
>
> Thanks,
> Robert
>
>
> --
> Robert Spangler
> Disability Services Technical Support Specialist
> rspangler1 at udayton.edu <mailto:rspangler1 at udayton.edu><mailto:rspangler1 at udayton.edu <mailto:rspangler1 at udayton.edu>>
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> Date: Thu, 14 Mar 2019 13:59:22 -0400
> From: Robert Spangler <rspangler1 at udayton.edu <mailto:rspangler1 at udayton.edu>>
> To: Access Technology Higher Education Network
> <athen-list at u.washington.edu <mailto:athen-list at u.washington.edu>>
> Subject: Re: [Athen] Dragon for Mac
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> Yeah I hope so, too. I played around with the dictation features in
> Windows a couple of years back and found them to be far inferior to Dragon,
> as far as the accuracy in which it understood me. So hopefully Apple's is
> better. I'll need to find a way to get my hands on a modern Mac; I have an
> old Mac Mini from 2010 which I doubt will run Mojave.
>
>
> On Thu, Mar 14, 2019 at 1:34 PM Liza Eldred <CherniwchanL at macewan.ca <mailto:CherniwchanL at macewan.ca>> wrote:
>
> > Hi,
> >
> >
> >
> > We are planning on using the built-in dictation feature in the Mac OS.
> >
> > The latest OS, Mojave, has the dictation settings under Keyboard ? Input,
> > and in the Accessibility settings.
> >
> > The student would not have to setup a profile which will save time.
> >
> > We have not had a lot of time to play around with the features and
> > functionality but are hoping that it will be a suitable replacement for
> > Dragon Dictate. Our fingers are crossed!
> >
> > Thanks
> >
> > Liza
> >
> >
> >
> > *Liza Eldred*
> >
> > *cherniwchanl at macewan.ca <mailto:cherniwchanl at macewan.ca> <cherniwchanl at macewan.ca <mailto:cherniwchanl at macewan.ca>>*
> >
> >
> > *Assistive Technology Specialist **Assistive Computer Technology Service*
> >
> > *Services to Students with Disabilities*
> >
> >
> > *MacEwan University *
> > *7-198D-2, 10700 - 104 Avenue Edmonton, AB (780) 497-5826*
> >
> >
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> >
> >
> >
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> >
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> > *From:* athen-list <athen-list-bounces at mailman12.u.washington.edu <mailto:athen-list-bounces at mailman12.u.washington.edu>> *On
> > Behalf Of *Robert Spangler
> > *Sent:* Thursday, March 14, 2019 11:16 AM
> > *To:* Access Technology Higher Education Network <
> > athen-list at u.washington.edu <mailto:athen-list at u.washington.edu>>
> > *Subject:* [Athen] Dragon for Mac
> >
> >
> >
> > I just saw in another thread on here that Nuance is no longer supporting
> > Dragon for Mac and that it does not work well with the newest MacOS
> > version. We have many students who are eligible to use Dragon and who also
> > use Macs, so this will create an issue for us eventually. What are folks
> > planning on using in place of Dragon Dictate?
> >
> >
> >
> > Thanks,
> >
> > Robert
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > --
> >
> > Robert Spangler
> > Disability Services Technical Support Specialist
> > rspangler1 at udayton.edu <mailto:rspangler1 at udayton.edu>
> > Office of Learning Resources (OLR) - RL 023
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> >
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