[Athen] Dragon Dictate for MAC and Microsoft's MathType

[Wink Harner]

Jill et al,

MathType and dictation (with Dragon) does not work together.

The programs that produce dictated math must be used as a package, and the
only substitution is that if you already own a copy of Dragon NS 15.0 +
professional. Otherwise one can purchase all three as a package from
Metroplex Voice Computing: https://mathtalk.com/

The combo package is: MathTalk, Scientific Notebook and Dragon
NaturallySpeaking. You dictate into Microsoft Word in a WIN OS. It is
unbeatable in terms of ease of use and quality of output.

Wink Harner
Wink Harner
Accessibility Consultant/Alternative Text Production
The Foreign Type

Portland OR
foreigntype at gmail.com
480-984-0034

This email was dictated using Dragon NaturallySpeaking. Please forgive
quirks, misrecognitions, or errata .


On Thu, Mar 14, 2019 at 1:16 PM Jill Heilman <heilmanj at lafayette.edu> wrote:


> Follow up questions:

>

> Has anyone used Microsoft Word - MathType with dictation?

>

> Thanks,

> Jill

>

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>> Date: Wed, 13 Mar 2019 17:30:46 -0400

>> From: Jill Heilman <heilmanj at lafayette.edu>

>> To: athen-list at u.washington.edu

>> Subject: [Athen] Dragon Dictate for MAC for Chemistry homework

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>> Hello - I am new to posting to the group for questions. I am new to

>> assisting students with the dictation software.  I have a student who

>> would

>> like to use Dragon Dictate for MAC to complete Chemistry homework.  Does

>> Dragon Dictate allow students to dictate chemistry equations or is there a

>> software that is compatible with Dragon Dictate for MAC that allows you to

>> do Chemistry equations and Math Equations.

>>

>> Appreciate any information you could provide.

>>

>> Thanks,

>> Jill

>> --

>>

>> Jill Heilman

>>

>> *Associate Director*

>>

>> *Academic Resource Hub*

>>

>> *Lafayette College ~ 312 Scott Hall*

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>> Date: Wed, 13 Mar 2019 16:10:11 -0700

>> From: foreigntype <foreigntype at gmail.com>

>> To: Access Technology Higher Education Network

>>         <athen-list at u.washington.edu>

>> Subject: Re: [Athen] Dragon Dictate for MAC for Chemistry homework

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>> Hi Jill et al ATHENites?Nuance has dropped all support for the Dragon

>> Dictate for Mac. Don't know if Apple is moving forward with a suitably

>> robust dictation software on their own or not.There is a software combo

>> that works well for dictation in math. I force Dragon to do all kinds of

>> things it wasn't necessarily designed to do, but dictating chemistry is not

>> on the "approved list" for sure.You might contact Nancilu McClellan at

>> Metroplex Voice Computing to see how feasible it would be to use Math Talk

>> & Scientific Notebook with Dragon NS. Only works on Windows as far as I

>> know. But it *might* work!.?Here's a link to their website.?

>> https://mathtalk.com/Wink HarnerSent from my Samsung Galaxy smartphone.

>> -------- Original message --------From: Jill Heilman <

>> heilmanj at lafayette.edu> Date: 3/13/19  2:30 PM  (GMT-08:00) To:

>> athen-list at u.washington.edu Subject: [Athen] Dragon Dictate for MAC for

>> Chemistry homework Hello - I am new to posting to the group for questions.

>> I am new to assisting students with the dictation software.? I have a

>> student who would like to use Dragon Dictate for MAC to complete Chemistry

>> homework.? Does Dragon Dictate allow students to dictate chemistry

>> equations or is there a software that is compatible with Dragon Dictate for

>> MAC that allows you to do Chemistry equations and Math

>> Equations.??Appreciate any information you could?provide.Thanks,Jill-- Jill

>> HeilmanAssociate DirectorAcademic Resource HubLafayette College ~ 312 Scott

>> Hall610-330-5071 ~?heilmanj at lafayette.edu

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>> Date: Wed, 13 Mar 2019 17:53:15 -0700

>> From: Shelley Haven <ShelleyHaven at techpotential.net>

>> To: ATHEN <athen-list at u.washington.edu>

>> Subject: Re: [Athen] Dragon Dictate for MAC for Chemistry homework

>> Message-ID: <84922694-5F8D-42F6-AD9F-8B723B415374 at techpotential.net>

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>>

>> Please forgive the long post ? I?m suddenly full of ideas. ;-)

>>

>> As Wink mentioned, Nuance no longer supports Dragon Dictate for Mac, nor

>> do they sell it.  However, if you already have or purchase their last

>> versions (v5 and v6) and install the last updates provided by Nuance, the

>> software still works with macOS 10.12 & 10.13 (Sierra & High Sierra), but

>> only somewhat works with macOS 10.14 (Mohave).

>>

>> Why this might be helpful: you can create your own dictation macros in

>> Dragon for Mac using Manage Commands? (under the Dragon icon in the Mac's

>> main menu bar).  Specify the app in which your new commands will work (or

>> specify ?Global?), click + to add a new command, then enter the Command

>> Name (what the user will say) and define what will happen as a result.

>> That ?what will happen? can be as simple as entering a series of keystrokes

>> to running an AppleScript or an Automator Workflow.

>>

>> So for example, if I wanted to type the formula for sulfuric acid into

>> Apple Pages, I would use the following keystrokes:

>> H

>> Cmd-Ctrl-minus sign (to get subscripted text)

>> 2

>> Cmd-Ctrl-minus sign (to un-subscript)

>> S

>> O

>> Cmd-Ctrl-minus sign

>> 4

>> Cmd-Ctrl-minus sign

>>

>> I could enter these keystrokes into a macro called ?sulphuric acid?, and

>> every time I spoke that phase, the correctly-formatted formula would be

>> typed.  (BTW, I just tried this to make sure it works ? it does!)

>>

>> You can take a similar approach with the Dictation Commands utility built

>> into macOS (System Preferences > Accessibility > Dictation Commands).

>> Click + to create a new command, name the command (When I say:), then

>> select Paste Text (under Perform:) and paste a text string you?ve

>> previously created in Pages, Word, etc., complete with subscripts and the

>> like.  (Again, I just tried this, too, and it works!)

>>

>> You might consider using either of these methods to create text strings

>> for the most common elements plus the most commonly-used molecules and

>> formulas (O2, water, various acids and alkalines, benzene, other organic

>> compounds ? go wild!).  For the Dictation Commands approach, I find it

>> easiest to type a page of these macro formulas first (complete with

>> subscripts, etc.), making it easy to copy-and-paste these into the Paste

>> Text box.  (Tip: type that original page of formulas using the same app the

>> student will use for dictating the macros.)

>>

>> You might also consider using either approach with the math and science

>> entry software by Efofex.com <http://efofex.com/> ? FX Chem, FX

>> ChemStruct, and FX Equation.  (FX ChemStruct <

>> https://www.efofex.com/fxchemstruct.php> actually draws the chemical

>> structures!)  Again, you would need to first create individual speech

>> macros by entering the series of keystrokes needed to type the desired

>> formulas, etc.  (Be aware that Efofex?s tools use their own unique entry

>> methods.)

>>

>> Will this take some time and effort to set up?  Of course.  But depending

>> on the complexity of the chemistry course being taken, a carefully-selected

>> combination of chemistry symbols, common formulas, and some formula

>> fragments shouldn?t take too long, but would provide the student with an

>> adequate speech macro library from which to dictate chemistry homework.

>>

>> Good luck!

>> - Shelley

>>

>> _____________________________

>> Shelley Haven  ATP, RET

>> Assistive Technology Consultant

>> www.TechPotential.net

>>

>>

>>

>> > On Mar 13, 2019, at 4:10 PM, foreigntype <foreigntype at gmail.com> wrote:

>> >

>> > Hi Jill et al ATHENites

>> >

>> > Nuance has dropped all support for the Dragon Dictate for Mac. Don't

>> know if Apple is moving forward with a suitably robust dictation software

>> on their own or not.

>> >

>> > There is a software combo that works well for dictation in math. I

>> force Dragon to do all kinds of things it wasn't necessarily designed to

>> do, but dictating chemistry is not on the "approved list" for sure.

>> >

>> > You might contact Nancilu McClellan at Metroplex Voice Computing to see

>> how feasible it would be to use Math Talk & Scientific Notebook with Dragon

>> NS. Only works on Windows as far as I know. But it *might* work!. Here's a

>> link to their website.

>> > https://mathtalk.com/

>> >

>> > Wink Harner

>> >

>> >

>> > Sent from my Samsung Galaxy smartphone.

>> >

>> > -------- Original message --------

>> > From: Jill Heilman <heilmanj at lafayette.edu>

>> > Date: 3/13/19 2:30 PM (GMT-08:00)

>> > To: athen-list at u.washington.edu

>> > Subject: [Athen] Dragon Dictate for MAC for Chemistry homework

>> >

>> > Hello - I am new to posting to the group for questions. I am new to

>> assisting students with the dictation software.  I have a student who would

>> like to use Dragon Dictate for MAC to complete Chemistry homework.  Does

>> Dragon Dictate allow students to dictate chemistry equations or is there a

>> software that is compatible with Dragon Dictate for MAC that allows you to

>> do Chemistry equations and Math Equations.

>> >

>> > Appreciate any information you could provide.

>> >

>> > Thanks,

>> > Jill

>> > --

>> > Jill Heilman

>> >

>> > Associate Director

>> >

>> > Academic Resource Hub

>> >

>> > Lafayette College ~ 312 Scott Hall

>> >

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>> Date: Wed, 13 Mar 2019 21:37:01 -0700

>> From: foreigntype <foreigntype at gmail.com>

>> To: Access Technology Higher Education Network

>>         <athen-list at u.washington.edu>

>> Subject: Re: [Athen] Dragon Dictate for MAC for Chemistry homework

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>>

>> ?hi all??When I said that I could provoke Dragon Naturally Speaking into

>> doing things it was not necessarily designed to do, let me clarify. I wrote

>> macros so that I could dictate Braille. I also wrote macros so I could

>> dictate physics, and?chemistry. It is not for the faint of heart. It is

>> difficult and time- consuming, however beneficial in the long run! I

>> trained more than 900 macro commands to do alternative textbook conversion

>> for Kurzweil in physics and chemistry.I am the guru in the Windows

>> operating system for Dragon Naturally Speaking. Shelley knows a lot more

>> about the Mac system. Between the two of us we could probably figure this

>> out for your student!WinkSent from my Samsung Galaxy smartphone.

>> -------- Original message --------From: Shelley Haven <

>> ShelleyHaven at techpotential.net> Date: 3/13/19  5:53 PM  (GMT-08:00) To:

>> ATHEN <athen-list at u.washington.edu> Subject: Re: [Athen] Dragon Dictate

>> for MAC for Chemistry homework Please forgive the long post ? I?m suddenly

>> full of ideas. ;-)As Wink mentioned, Nuance no longer supports Dragon

>> Dictate for Mac, nor do they sell it. ?However, if you already have or

>> purchase their last versions (v5 and v6) and install the last updates

>> provided by Nuance, the software still works with macOS 10.12 & 10.13

>> (Sierra & High Sierra), but only somewhat works with macOS 10.14

>> (Mohave).Why this might be helpful: you can create your own dictation

>> macros in Dragon for Mac using Manage Commands? (under the Dragon icon in

>> the Mac's main menu bar). ?Specify the app in which your new commands will

>> work (or specify ?Global?), click + to add a new command, then enter the

>> Command Name (what the user will say) and define what will happen as a

>> result!

>>  . ?That ?what will happen? can be as simple as entering a series of

>> keystrokes to running an AppleScript or an Automator Workflow.So for

>> example, if I wanted to type the formula for sulfuric acid into Apple

>> Pages, I would use the following keystrokes:HCmd-Ctrl-minus sign (to get

>> subscripted text)2Cmd-Ctrl-minus sign (to un-subscript)SOCmd-Ctrl-minus

>> sign4Cmd-Ctrl-minus signI could enter these keystrokes into a macro called

>> ?sulphuric acid?, and every time I spoke that phase, the

>> correctly-formatted formula would be typed. ?(BTW, I just tried this to

>> make sure it works ? it does!)You can take a similar approach with the

>> Dictation Commands utility built into macOS (System Preferences >

>> Accessibility > Dictation Commands). ?Click + to create a new command, name

>> the command (When I say:), then select Paste Text (under Perform:) and

>> paste a text string you?ve previously created in Pages, Word, etc.,

>> complete with subscripts and the like. ?(Again, I just tried this, too, and

>> it w!

>>  orks!)You might consider using either of these methods to crea!

>>  te text strings for the most common elements plus the most commonly-used

>> molecules and formulas (O2, water, various acids and alkalines, benzene,

>> other organic compounds ? go wild!). ?For the Dictation Commands approach,

>> I find it easiest to type a page of these macro formulas first (complete

>> with subscripts, etc.), making it easy to copy-and-paste these into the

>> Paste Text box. ?(Tip: type that original page of formulas using the same

>> app the student will use for dictating the macros.)You might also consider

>> using either approach with the math and science entry software by

>> Efofex.com?? FX Chem, FX ChemStruct, and FX Equation. ?(FX

>> ChemStruct?actually draws the chemical structures!) ?Again, you would need

>> to first create individual speech macros by entering the series of

>> keystrokes needed to type the desired formulas, etc. ?(Be aware that

>> Efofex?s tools use their own unique entry methods.)Will this take some time

>> and effort to set up? ?Of course. ?But depending on the compl!

>>  exity of the chemistry course being taken, a carefully-selected

>> combination of chemistry symbols, common formulas, and some formula

>> fragments shouldn?t take too long, but would provide the student with an

>> adequate speech macro library from which to dictate chemistry homework.Good

>> luck!- Shelley

>> _____________________________Shelley Haven ?ATP, RETAssistive Technology

>> Consultantwww.TechPotential.net

>>

>> On Mar 13, 2019, at 4:10 PM, foreigntype <foreigntype at gmail.com>

>> wrote:Hi Jill et al ATHENites?Nuance has dropped all support for the Dragon

>> Dictate for Mac. Don't know if Apple is moving forward with a suitably

>> robust dictation software on their own or not.There is a software combo

>> that works well for dictation in math. I force Dragon to do all kinds of

>> things it wasn't necessarily designed to do, but dictating chemistry is not

>> on the "approved list" for sure.You might contact Nancilu McClellan at

>> Metroplex Voice Computing to see how feasible it would be to use Math Talk

>> & Scientific Notebook with Dragon NS. Only works on Windows as far as I

>> know. But it *might* work!.?Here's a link to their website.?

>> https://mathtalk.com/Wink HarnerSent from my Samsung Galaxy

>> smartphone.-------- Original message --------From: Jill Heilman <

>> heilmanj at lafayette.edu> Date: 3/13/19  2:30 PM  (GMT-08:00) To:

>> athen-list at u.washington.edu Subject: [Athen] Dragon Dictate for MAC for

>> Chemistry homewor!

>>  k Hello - I am new to posting to the group for questions. I am new to

>> assisting students with the dictation software.? I have a student who would

>> like to use Dragon Dictate for MAC to complete Chemistry homework.? Does

>> Dragon Dictate allow students to dictate chemistry equations or is there a

>> software that is compatible with Dragon Dictate for MAC that allows you to

>> do Chemistry equations and Math Equations.??Appreciate any information you

>> could?provide.Thanks,Jill-- Jill HeilmanAssociate DirectorAcademic Resource

>> HubLafayette College ~ 312 Scott Hall610-330-5071 ~?

>> heilmanj at lafayette.edu

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>> From: "Sorensen, Neal B" <neal.sorensen at mnsu.edu>

>> To: Access Technology Higher Education Network

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>> Subject: [Athen] TTS for Algebra

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>> Hello all,

>>

>> I have a student who came to see me a while back who is struggling in a

>> developmental algebra course using WebAssign. They asked about

>> text-to-speech to use with homework and exams. I have seen Equatio in

>> action (thanks for Susan's webinar), and have shown it around the office.

>> Right now we don't have any licenses of that purchased, but we are

>> considering showing it to the math department to hopefully entice them into

>> buying it. Until then, I'm still stuck with a student who could use

>> mathematical TTS. Are there any other tools out there that this student

>> could use to read math on the WebAssign platform?

>>

>> I was considering Copy/Pasting LaTeX into CAR, but the student doesn't

>> have a computer of their own to install it on. They are a non-traditional

>> student and not very comfortable with computers... So I'm at a bit of a

>> loss. Any ideas?

>>

>> Neal Sorensen

>> Access Specialist

>> Accessibility Resources

>> Minnesota State University, Mankato

>> 132 Memorial Library

>> Mankato, MN 56001

>>

>> Phone: 507-389-5242

>> FAX: 507-389-1199

>> Email: neal.sorensen at mnsu.edu<mailto:neal.sorensen at mnsu.edu>

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>> From: "Pfau, Jillian" <jillian.pfau at montgomerycollege.edu>

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>> Hello all!

>> I'm reaching out to see if anyone has feedback on using the Livescribe 3-

>> or Aegir- model pens that do not have a microphone and require the use of a

>> iphone/android/ipad to record the audio portion.

>> Specifically, I'm curious if anyone is using these newer devices in a

>> peer notetaker/note sharing model and how that is working for you in

>> regards to the notetaker using his/her personal device or an equipment loan

>> from DSS.  If you'd rather share your experience off the listserv my email

>> is jillian.pfau at montgomerycollege.edu<mailto:

>> jillian.pfau at montgomerycollege.edu>.

>>

>> Thanks and best regards,

>> Jillian

>>

>>

>> Jillian Pfau

>> Collegewide Coordinator of Assistive Technology

>> Disability Support Services

>> Montgomery College<http://www.montgomerycollege.edu/>

>> Tel. 240-567-5224

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>> Date: Thu, 14 Mar 2019 10:07:40 -0700

>> From: Wink Harner <foreigntype at gmail.com>

>> To: Access Technology Higher Education Network

>>         <athen-list at u.washington.edu>

>> Subject: Re: [Athen] TTS for Algebra

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>> Hi Neal,

>>

>> it's entirely possible that you could arrange with text help to get a free

>> teacher's license ? it used to be free, in any case ? of Equatio for this

>> purpose, at least for the purposes of testing whether or not it would work

>> with web assign (I think it will), you could at the very least, petition

>> for a free copy for your office & wherever the testing center is if that's

>> where the test is being given.  Or perhaps you could get one for the

>> student who needs a copy of it to take a test online.

>>

>> Here's a link:

>>

>> https://www.texthelp.com/en-us/company/education-blog/november-2017/equatio-is-now-free-for-teachers/

>>

>> Not to throw too many rocks in the road, but as far as I know, Equatio

>> only

>> works in Chrome, and WebAssign does not work in Chrome. Perhaps someone

>> with more experience in the online testing environment has

>> another workaround or suggestion.

>>

>> Wink Harner

>>

>>

>>

>> On Thu, Mar 14, 2019 at 5:53 AM Sorensen, Neal B <neal.sorensen at mnsu.edu>

>> wrote:

>>

>> > Hello all,

>> >

>> >

>> >

>> > I have a student who came to see me a while back who is struggling in a

>> > developmental algebra course using WebAssign. They asked about

>> > text-to-speech to use with homework and exams. I have seen Equatio in

>> > action (thanks for Susan?s webinar), and have shown it around the

>> office.

>> > Right now we don?t have any licenses of that purchased, but we are

>> > considering showing it to the math department to hopefully entice them

>> into

>> > buying it. Until then, I?m still stuck with a student who could use

>> > mathematical TTS. Are there any other tools out there that this student

>> > could use to read math on the WebAssign platform?

>> >

>> > I was considering Copy/Pasting LaTeX into CAR, but the student doesn?t

>> > have a computer of their own to install it on. They are a

>> non-traditional

>> > student and not very comfortable with computers? So I?m at a bit of a

>> loss.

>> > Any ideas?

>> >

>> >

>> >

>> > Neal Sorensen

>> >

>> > Access Specialist

>> >

>> > Accessibility Resources

>> >

>> > Minnesota State University, Mankato

>> >

>> > 132 Memorial Library

>> >

>> > Mankato, MN 56001

>> >

>> >

>> >

>> > Phone: 507-389-5242

>> >

>> > FAX: 507-389-1199

>> >

>> > Email: *neal.sorensen at mnsu.edu <neal.sorensen at mnsu.edu>*

>> >

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>> Date: Thu, 14 Mar 2019 13:15:00 -0400

>> From: Robert Spangler <rspangler1 at udayton.edu>

>> To: Access Technology Higher Education Network

>>         <athen-list at u.washington.edu>

>> Subject: Re: [Athen] Dragon Dictate for MAC for Chemistry homework

>> Message-ID:

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>> Hello, I wonder if EquatIO from Texthelp would be useful in this case.  We

>> just finished evaluating this software, since we have many students with

>> concussions or who break their dominant hand and who need to be able to

>> dictate temporarily.  We found that it does have a bit of a learning

>> curve,

>> especially if the student is not in a math-intensive major, but just

>> throwing it out there.  I do recall seeing some chemistry equations in it.

>> There is a dictate feature and, if you dictate the equation in the manner

>> in which the program expects it, it accurately inputs it into a Word

>> document.  Commonly-used equations can be inserted with just a click.

>>

>>

>> On Thu, Mar 14, 2019 at 12:38 AM foreigntype <foreigntype at gmail.com>

>> wrote:

>>

>> >  hi all

>> >

>> > When I said that I could provoke Dragon Naturally Speaking into doing

>> > things it was not necessarily designed to do, let me clarify. I wrote

>> > macros so that I could dictate Braille. I also wrote macros so I could

>> > dictate physics, and chemistry. It is not for the faint of heart. It is

>> > difficult and time- consuming, however beneficial in the long run! I

>> > trained more than 900 macro commands to do alternative textbook

>> conversion

>> > for Kurzweil in physics and chemistry.

>> >

>> > I am the guru in the Windows operating system for Dragon Naturally

>> > Speaking. Shelley knows a lot more about the Mac system. Between the

>> two of

>> > us we could probably figure this out for your student!

>> >

>> > Wink

>> >

>> >

>> > Sent from my Samsung Galaxy smartphone.

>> >

>> > -------- Original message --------

>> > From: Shelley Haven <ShelleyHaven at techpotential.net>

>> > Date: 3/13/19 5:53 PM (GMT-08:00)

>> > To: ATHEN <athen-list at u.washington.edu>

>> > Subject: Re: [Athen] Dragon Dictate for MAC for Chemistry homework

>> >

>> > Please forgive the long post ? I?m suddenly full of ideas. ;-)

>> >

>> > As Wink mentioned, Nuance no longer supports Dragon Dictate for Mac, nor

>> > do they sell it.  However, if you already have or purchase their last

>> > versions (v5 and v6) and install the last updates provided by Nuance,

>> the

>> > software still works with macOS 10.12 & 10.13 (Sierra & High Sierra),

>> but

>> > only somewhat works with macOS 10.14 (Mohave).

>> >

>> > Why this might be helpful: you can create your own dictation macros in

>> > Dragon for Mac using Manage Commands? (under the Dragon icon in the

>> Mac's

>> > main menu bar).  Specify the app in which your new commands will work

>> (or

>> > specify ?Global?), click + to add a new command, then enter the Command

>> > Name (what the user will say) and define what will happen as a result.

>> > That ?what will happen? can be as simple as entering a series of

>> keystrokes

>> > to running an AppleScript or an Automator Workflow.

>> >

>> > So for example, if I wanted to *type* the formula for sulfuric acid into

>> > Apple Pages, I would use the following keystrokes:

>> > H

>> > Cmd-Ctrl-minus sign (to get subscripted text)

>> > 2

>> > Cmd-Ctrl-minus sign (to un-subscript)

>> > S

>> > O

>> > Cmd-Ctrl-minus sign

>> > 4

>> > Cmd-Ctrl-minus sign

>> >

>> > I could enter these keystrokes into a macro called ?sulphuric acid?, and

>> > every time I spoke that phase, the correctly-formatted formula would be

>> > typed.  (BTW, I just tried this to make sure it works ? it does!)

>> >

>> > You can take a similar approach with the Dictation Commands utility

>> built

>> > into macOS (System Preferences > Accessibility > Dictation Commands).

>> > Click + to create a new command, name the command (When I say:), then

>> > select Paste Text (under Perform:) and paste a text string you?ve

>> > previously created in Pages, Word, etc., complete with subscripts and

>> the

>> > like.  (Again, I just tried this, too, and it works!)

>> >

>> > You might consider using either of these methods to create text strings

>> > for the most common elements plus the most commonly-used molecules and

>> > formulas (O2, water, various acids and alkalines, benzene, other organic

>> > compounds ? go wild!).  For the Dictation Commands approach, I find it

>> > easiest to type a page of these macro formulas first (complete with

>> > subscripts, etc.), making it easy to copy-and-paste these into the Paste

>> > Text box.  (Tip: type that original page of formulas using the same app

>> the

>> > student will use for dictating the macros.)

>> >

>> > You might also consider using either approach with the math and science

>> > entry software by Efofex.com ? FX Chem, FX ChemStruct, and FX

>> Equation.  (FX

>> > ChemStruct <https://www.efofex.com/fxchemstruct.php> actually draws the

>> > chemical structures!)  Again, you would need to first create individual

>> > speech macros by entering the series of keystrokes needed to type the

>> > desired formulas, etc.  (Be aware that Efofex?s tools use their own

>> unique

>> > entry methods.)

>> >

>> > Will this take some time and effort to set up?  Of course.  But

>> depending

>> > on the complexity of the chemistry course being taken, a

>> carefully-selected

>> > combination of chemistry symbols, common formulas, and some formula

>> > fragments shouldn?t take too long, but would provide the student with an

>> > adequate speech macro library from which to dictate chemistry homework.

>> >

>> > Good luck!

>> > - Shelley

>> >

>> > _____________________________

>> > Shelley Haven  ATP, RET

>> > Assistive Technology Consultant

>> > www.TechPotential.net

>> >

>> >

>> >

>> > On Mar 13, 2019, at 4:10 PM, foreigntype <foreigntype at gmail.com> wrote:

>> >

>> > Hi Jill et al ATHENites

>> >

>> > Nuance has dropped all support for the Dragon Dictate for Mac. Don't

>> know

>> > if Apple is moving forward with a suitably robust dictation software on

>> > their own or not.

>> >

>> > There is a software combo that works well for dictation in math. I force

>> > Dragon to do all kinds of things it wasn't necessarily designed to do,

>> but

>> > dictating chemistry is not on the "approved list" for sure.

>> >

>> > You might contact Nancilu McClellan at Metroplex Voice Computing to see

>> > how feasible it would be to use Math Talk & Scientific Notebook with

>> Dragon

>> > NS. Only works on Windows as far as I know. But it *might* work!. Here's

>> > a link to their website.

>> > https://mathtalk.com/

>> >

>> > Wink Harner

>> >

>> >

>> > Sent from my Samsung Galaxy smartphone.

>> >

>> > -------- Original message --------

>> > From: Jill Heilman <heilmanj at lafayette.edu>

>> > Date: 3/13/19 2:30 PM (GMT-08:00)

>> > To: athen-list at u.washington.edu

>> > Subject: [Athen] Dragon Dictate for MAC for Chemistry homework

>> >

>> > Hello - I am new to posting to the group for questions. I am new to

>> > assisting students with the dictation software.  I have a student who

>> would

>> > like to use Dragon Dictate for MAC to complete Chemistry homework.  Does

>> > Dragon Dictate allow students to dictate chemistry equations or is

>> there a

>> > software that is compatible with Dragon Dictate for MAC that allows you

>> to

>> > do Chemistry equations and Math Equations.

>> >

>> > Appreciate any information you could provide.

>> >

>> > Thanks,

>> > Jill

>> > --

>> >

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>> >

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>> Date: Thu, 14 Mar 2019 13:16:15 -0400

>> From: Robert Spangler <rspangler1 at udayton.edu>

>> To: Access Technology Higher Education Network

>>         <athen-list at u.washington.edu>

>> Subject: [Athen] Dragon for Mac

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>> I just saw in another thread on here that Nuance is no longer supporting

>> Dragon for Mac and that it does not work well with the newest MacOS

>> version.  We have many students who are eligible to use Dragon and who

>> also

>> use Macs, so this will create an issue for us eventually.  What are folks

>> planning on using in place of Dragon Dictate?

>>

>> Thanks,

>> Robert

>>

>>

>> --

>> Robert Spangler

>> Disability Services Technical Support Specialist

>> rspangler1 at udayton.edu

>> Office of Learning Resources (OLR) - RL 023

>> Ryan C. Harris Learning & Teaching Center (LTC)

>> University of Dayton  | 300 College Park  |  Dayton, Ohio 45469-1302

>> Phone: 937-229-2066

>> Fax: 937-229-3270

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>> Date: Thu, 14 Mar 2019 17:29:17 +0000

>> From: Liza Eldred <CherniwchanL at macewan.ca>

>> To: Access Technology Higher Education Network

>>         <athen-list at u.washington.edu>

>> Subject: Re: [Athen] Dragon for Mac

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>> Hi,

>>

>> We are planning on using the built-in dictation feature in the Mac OS.

>> The latest OS, Mojave, has the dictation settings under Keyboard ? Input,

>> and in the Accessibility settings.

>> The student would not have to setup a profile which will save time.

>> We have not had a lot of time to play around with the features and

>> functionality but are hoping that it will be a suitable replacement for

>> Dragon Dictate. Our fingers are crossed!

>> Thanks

>> Liza

>>

>> Liza Eldred

>> cherniwchanl at macewan.ca

>> Assistive Technology Specialist

>> Assistive Computer Technology Service

>> Services to Students with Disabilities

>> MacEwan University

>> 7-198D-2, 10700 - 104 Avenue

>> Edmonton, AB (780) 497-5826

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>>

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>> From: athen-list <athen-list-bounces at mailman12.u.washington.edu> On

>> Behalf Of Robert Spangler

>> Sent: Thursday, March 14, 2019 11:16 AM

>> To: Access Technology Higher Education Network <

>> athen-list at u.washington.edu>

>> Subject: [Athen] Dragon for Mac

>>

>> I just saw in another thread on here that Nuance is no longer supporting

>> Dragon for Mac and that it does not work well with the newest MacOS

>> version.  We have many students who are eligible to use Dragon and who also

>> use Macs, so this will create an issue for us eventually.  What are folks

>> planning on using in place of Dragon Dictate?

>>

>> Thanks,

>> Robert

>>

>>

>> --

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>> Disability Services Technical Support Specialist

>> rspangler1 at udayton.edu<mailto:rspangler1 at udayton.edu>

>> Office of Learning Resources (OLR) - RL 023

>> Ryan C. Harris Learning & Teaching Center (LTC)

>> University of Dayton  | 300 College Park  |  Dayton, Ohio 45469-1302

>> Phone: 937-229-2066

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>> Message: 11

>> Date: Thu, 14 Mar 2019 13:59:22 -0400

>> From: Robert Spangler <rspangler1 at udayton.edu>

>> To: Access Technology Higher Education Network

>>         <athen-list at u.washington.edu>

>> Subject: Re: [Athen] Dragon for Mac

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>> Yeah I hope so, too.  I played around with the dictation features in

>> Windows a couple of years back and found them to be far inferior to

>> Dragon,

>> as far as the accuracy in which it understood me.  So hopefully Apple's is

>> better.  I'll need to find a way to get my hands on a modern Mac; I have

>> an

>> old Mac Mini from 2010 which I doubt will run Mojave.

>>

>>

>> On Thu, Mar 14, 2019 at 1:34 PM Liza Eldred <CherniwchanL at macewan.ca>

>> wrote:

>>

>> > Hi,

>> >

>> >

>> >

>> > We are planning on using the built-in dictation feature in the Mac OS.

>> >

>> > The latest OS, Mojave, has the dictation settings under Keyboard ?

>> Input,

>> > and in the Accessibility settings.

>> >

>> > The student would not have to setup a profile which will save time.

>> >

>> > We have not had a lot of time to play around with the features and

>> > functionality but are hoping that it will be a suitable replacement for

>> > Dragon Dictate. Our fingers are crossed!

>> >

>> > Thanks

>> >

>> > Liza

>> >

>> >

>> >

>> > *Liza Eldred*

>> >

>> > *cherniwchanl at macewan.ca <cherniwchanl at macewan.ca>*

>> >

>> >

>> > *Assistive Technology Specialist **Assistive Computer Technology

>> Service*

>> >

>> > *Services to Students with Disabilities*

>> >

>> >

>> > *MacEwan University *

>> > *7-198D-2, 10700 - 104 Avenue Edmonton, AB (780) 497-5826*

>> >

>> >

>> > *Fax: 780-497-4018 **www.macewan.ca <http://www.macewan.ca>*

>> >

>> >

>> >

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>> > *From:* athen-list <athen-list-bounces at mailman12.u.washington.edu> *On

>> > Behalf Of *Robert Spangler

>> > *Sent:* Thursday, March 14, 2019 11:16 AM

>> > *To:* Access Technology Higher Education Network <

>> > athen-list at u.washington.edu>

>> > *Subject:* [Athen] Dragon for Mac

>> >

>> >

>> >

>> > I just saw in another thread on here that Nuance is no longer supporting

>> > Dragon for Mac and that it does not work well with the newest MacOS

>> > version.  We have many students who are eligible to use Dragon and who

>> also

>> > use Macs, so this will create an issue for us eventually.  What are

>> folks

>> > planning on using in place of Dragon Dictate?

>> >

>> >

>> >

>> > Thanks,

>> >

>> > Robert

>> >

>> >

>> >

>> >

>> > --

>> >

>> > Robert Spangler

>> > Disability Services Technical Support Specialist

>> > rspangler1 at udayton.edu

>> > Office of Learning Resources (OLR) - RL 023

>> > Ryan C. Harris Learning & Teaching Center (LTC)

>> > University of Dayton  | 300 College Park  |  Dayton, Ohio 45469-1302

>> > Phone: 937-229-2066

>> >

>> > Fax: 937-229-3270

>> >

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