[Athen] Book for an online student

[Michael Hoel]

Did you try the instructor for a copy that you can scan?

Michael Hoel
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From: athen-list <athen-list-bounces at mailman12.u.washington.edu> On Behalf Of Wink Harner
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Susan et al,

In my own defense, I did mention purchasing the book as one of the options at our disposal.

Wink

On Fri, Nov 8, 2019, 8:40 AM Justin Romack <justinr at disability.tamu.edu<mailto:justinr at disability.tamu.edu>> wrote:
Agree with Susan’s take on this. It would be my advice as well.

Ultimately, the student isn’t the one legally obligated to provide access – the university is. Fortunately, it sounds like the cost of the book is low – so it won’t be an extreme expense for Robert’s office to purchase and begin processing these materials … but even if it were, is it worth delaying the process and risking litigation for failing to accommodate this student’s needs?

No doubt the water is a little murky on this one … but when black and white turn to grey, I’m going to air on the side of caution and make sure access is top of mind – no matter the cost.

Thanks for being such a great community that can dispense advice for all of our oddities and edge cases. Y’all really are a super group!

Thanks,
J

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From: athen-list <athen-list-bounces at mailman12.u.washington.edu<mailto:athen-list-bounces at mailman12.u.washington.edu>> On Behalf Of Susan Kelmer
Sent: Friday, November 8, 2019 10:25 AM
To: Access Technology Higher Education Network <athen-list at u.washington.edu<mailto:athen-list at u.washington.edu>>
Subject: Re: [Athen] Book for an online student

Wink, the book is not available from the publisher.  Normal process would be to scan the book, but the student is a distance learner, so putting the burden of mailing the book onto the student seems unfair.

Susan Kelmer
Alternate Format Production Program Manager
Disability Services
University of Colorado Boulder
303-735-4836



From: athen-list <athen-list-bounces at mailman12.u.washington.edu<mailto:athen-list-bounces at mailman12.u.washington.edu>> On Behalf Of Wink Harner
Sent: Friday, November 8, 2019 9:16 AM
To: Access Technology Higher Education Network <athen-list at u.washington.edu<mailto:athen-list at u.washington.edu>>
Subject: Re: [Athen] Book for an online student

 Robert,

Why would they have to mail the book to you? We only require proof of “ownership” which could be copy of a receipt, check out slip from a library, photo of their name written on it. Many times I’ve converted a book electronically for a student long before a semester started and released it electronically after “proof” of possession of the book. Our department considered the cost of purchasing & converting books as part of our cost of doing business. We worked out a buy back agreement with the bookstore. Sometimes we were able to get a desk copy from the publisher or the instructor or the department which we could use to cut, scan and rebind.

Hopefully someone on the listserv will have an electronic version of the book and can share it with you.

Wink

On Fri, Nov 8, 2019 at 6:36 AM Robert Spangler <rspangler1 at udayton.edu<mailto:rspangler1 at udayton.edu>> wrote:
It's not necessarily sharing the scanned files, but asking the student to mail me the physical book that's the difficulty.  Is that fair to do, since they would have to pay to do this?  Or would we be expected to buy a copy of the book or reimburse his shipping?


On Thu, Nov 7, 2019 at 5:18 PM Wink Harner <foreigntype at gmail.com<mailto:foreigntype at gmail.com>> wrote:
Hi Robert et al ATHENITES,

We did this frequently at Southern Oregon University not just for students in online classes but for all students (mostly all). We used Sugar Sync, and online filesharing application, and would convert the books to the appropriate format and upload the files to sugar sync, where the students could logon and download wherever they happened to be.

There are a number of apps that are free that are efficient and easy to use in this category, we chose one for the college that was a paid subscription service, was not terribly expensive, but because we wanted to protect both the privacy of the student and the copyright of the books we created individual links for each student for their books and contract when or if they downloaded the books or if other attempts were made to download the books. The files are removed each semester. If a student needs it again, we can reload the file for them.

If you need help with recommendations on cloud-based services, let us know. Sure there are many of us online it would be happy to share recommendations.

This is more common than you might think! There are fairly simple ways of dealing with it. Now you know :-)
Hope this helps.

Wink Harner
Wink Harner
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On Thu, Nov 7, 2019 at 1:16 PM Robert Spangler <rspangler1 at udayton.edu<mailto:rspangler1 at udayton.edu>> wrote:
Hello, I have an alternative format request from a student who is enrolled in one of our online programs and is not local.  The publisher has not responded to a request for an alternative format version of this textbook.  Normally, I would offer the student an in-house scan of the text, but this is hardly convenient given the student is not local.  Has anyone else experienced this issue, and what did you do?

Thanks,
Robert


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