[Athen] Has ANYONE had success getting math to read on a Mac...and how...

[Lucy GRECO]

hello: i think this is a good time to reach out to the access team at apple
as they should be awair of the problem  even if the student does switch i
would   also be conserned about the  math jacks not working any more and
would reach out to that team as well if you could i know one of the key
contributers to math  jacks and they are definitely  invested in to  access
and cross  platform compatibility

the email address for the apple team is-accessibility at apple.com
  write me some thing off list if you would like me to ask my math jacks
person to help
lucy

Lucia Greco
Web Accessibility Evangelist
IST - Architecture, Platforms, and Integration
University of California, Berkeley
(510) 289-6008 skype: lucia1-greco
http://webaccess.berkeley.edu
Follow me on twitter @accessaces



On Fri, Sep 13, 2019 at 6:50 AM Susan Kelmer <Susan.Kelmer at colorado.edu>
wrote:


> Breakthrough…we convinced the student he needs to move to Windows and a

> screen reader.  He has some very limited sight, and he’s been getting

> through that way and by having his (very smart) mom read him his math. He

> has an enormous portable CCTV in a big suitcase he drags around everywhere

> on campus for use in the classroom.   He has not invested in learning the

> technical skills he needs to navigate higher-level math (he’s a dual major

> in math and computer science!), and it is really time for him to make that

> transition. His eyesight is worsening by the day.

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> He has a technology consult with Voc Rehab next week, and will be asking

> the questions, and hopefully getting a technology update.  We are hoping he

> can do this with a dual-boot on his Mac, because he really really really

> wants to keep his Mac for all the other stuff he does.  I also tried to

> help him understand that if he was going into programming and network

> support, he was going to have to have Windows for that as well. He’s

> already running into problems with the C++ class he is taking.  I’m working

> with our digital accessibility guy here, who has good experience in this

> area, to make sure I’m giving the student the best information. This

> student really does need to move to a screen reading environment.  He may

> not want to do this, but he may also find once he does, things will become

> so much easier for him and his learning will advance by leaps and bounds.

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> This has been such a frustrating endeavor.  Technology really does need to

> catch up with what students are using.  There are lots of choices, however

> convoluted, for Windows, and very few for the Mac.

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> And Sean Keegan, I did attempt the mathjax route, and could not get it to

> work on the mac I have to play with.  I did not think to try an older

> version, so when I have some free time, I may play around with that. It’s

> another option to be used in the future.

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> *Susan Kelmer*

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> *Alternate Format Production Program Manager*

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> *Disability Services*

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> *University of Colorado Boulder*

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> *303-735-4836*

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> *From:* athen-list <athen-list-bounces at mailman12.u.washington.edu> *On

> Behalf Of *Sean Keegan

> *Sent:* Thursday, September 12, 2019 6:34 PM

> *To:* Access Technology Higher Education Network <

> athen-list at u.washington.edu>

> *Subject:* Re: [Athen] Has ANYONE had success getting math to read on a

> Mac...and how...

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> I did some testing with VoiceOver and Safari and found that MathJax 2.x

> versions seemed to work okay. When encountering an equation the first time

> if using MathJax 2.7.5 and 2.7.6, VoiceOver appears to automatically jump

> "into" the math equation such that the user has to then "move out" a level

> to continue navigating the page. Not a major issue, but certainly something

> to note. Navigating an equation did not seem quite as clean as it used

> to be, but I was able to navigate within an equation and the math islands.

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> I tried working with MathJax 3 with VoiceOver+Safari and it could not get

> anything to function. MathJax ver 3 is supposed to be a significant change

> from previous versions, so it may take AT some time to catch up.

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> sean

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> On Thu, Sep 12, 2019 at 3:24 PM Noble,Stephen L. <

> steve.noble at louisville.edu> wrote:

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> Hi Susan,

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> MathML in either an HTML or XHTML file should work fine with Safari and

> VoiceOver...at least it does for me. However, I note that there is

> something weird going on with MathJax, which used to work fine. It doesn't

> want to read the math properly and page navigation gets stuck on math

> islands. I don't know if this is due to recent changes in MathJax, but I

> know that it used to work fine. If you are creating content from MathType,

> I suggest avoiding the MathJax options in the Publish as MathPage dialogue.

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> --Steve Noble

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> *From:* athen-list <athen-list-bounces at mailman12.u.washington.edu> on

> behalf of Susan Kelmer <Susan.Kelmer at colorado.edu>

> *Sent:* Thursday, September 12, 2019 12:29 PM

> *To:* Access Technology Higher Education Network <

> athen-list at u.washington.edu>

> *Subject:* [Athen] Has ANYONE had success getting math to read on a

> Mac...and how...

>

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> Okay, I’ve now tried it all.  I have a low vision student in math/computer

> science that refuses to switch to a Windows machine or to use any type of

> screenreader.  I’ve tried every available file type in every available

> browser and application.

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> Epub3 in ibooks with Voiceover (it skips punctuation or adds random

> punctuation and I can’t figure out how to more finely tune the verbosity)

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> Word with MathType in Word

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> MathML in Safari (I get a javascript error)

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> MathML in Firefox (won’t open, just sits and spins)

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> Help help help!!

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> *Susan Kelmer*

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> *Alternate Format Production Program Manager*

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> *Disability Services*

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> *University of Colorado Boulder*

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> *303-735-4836*

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