[Athen] [WebAIM] Powerpoint, screenreaders and text boxes

[Howard Kramer]

Also, I've heard so often that text boxes were completely inaccessible I
was just surprised that it worked at all.

-Howard

On Thu, Jan 30, 2020 at 7:05 PM Howard Kramer <hkramer at ahead.org> wrote:


> Thanks Karen. I think that explains it. So the main issue seems to be when

> copying or converting the content to a different format, not the reading of

> the slides in PPT. I just want to make sure I understand all the benefits.

>

> -Howard

>

> On Thu, Jan 30, 2020 at 5:13 PM Karlen Communications <

> info at karlencommunications.com> wrote:

>

>> Accessibility comes into play when you need to create a braille or large

>> print copy of the presentation. When you save the presentation as an

>> outline or RTF and add accessible structure to the text, you will have to

>> copy and paste everything that is in a tex box into the RTF/Word doc. Using

>> the default accessible placeholders saves you time and is just good

>> practice.

>>

>> Yes, I can read content in text boxes in PowerPoint with my screen reader

>> but why delete the accessible placeholders to put text boxes in their place

>> when you can modify the available layouts or create your own and save you

>> time you beef an alternate format.

>>

>> I can send you a sample of what I mean in the morning and give you a call

>> if you like.

>>

>> Cheers, Karen

>>

>> Sent from my iPad

>>

>> > On Jan 30, 2020, at 6:13 PM, Howard Kramer <hkramer at ahead.org> wrote:

>> >

>> > 

>> > Seems to also work with JAWS.

>> >

>> > -Howard

>> >

>> >> On Thu, Jan 30, 2020 at 3:17 PM Howard Kramer <hkramer at ahead.org>

>> wrote:

>> >> Thanks Susan! Good to know.

>> >>

>> >> -Howard

>> >>

>> >>> On Thu, Jan 30, 2020 at 3:17 PM Susan Kelmer <

>> Susan.Kelmer at colorado.edu> wrote:

>> >>> Well, that’s interesting!  NVDA is always making advancements, unlike

>> Jaws, and they may have solved this puzzle.

>> >>>

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>> >>> However, if a screenreader user is using Jaws, then there will still

>> be a problem as Jaws won’t read (or even see) those text boxes.

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>> >>> From: athen-list <athen-list-bounces at mailman12.u.washington.edu> On

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>> >>> Subject: [Athen] Powerpoint, screenreaders and text boxes

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>> >>> I've been playing around with PowerPoint (2013 for Windows) and NVDA.

>> It's always been emphasized not to use text boxes and instead to use the

>> slide layouts but I notice that NVDA reads the text boxes without problem

>> although you may need to rearrange the order in the selection pane. I can

>> see that the text boxes are missing from the outline view but I can't see

>> to get NVDA to read that pane in any case.

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>> >>> Does the admonition against text boxes still apply?

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>> >>> --

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>> >>> Regards,

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>> >>> Howard

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>> >>> Howard Kramer

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>> >> Howard

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>> > Howard

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> Howard

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> Howard Kramer

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Regards,
Howard

Howard Kramer
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