[Athen] Alternate text question

Butler, Brandon (bcb4y) bcb4y at virginia.edu
Thu Dec 16 07:24:14 PST 2021

Why are the students signing that statement? If it’s because you are obtaining copies from a service (like ATN) that requires them to make that representation, then yes, you’re stuck with those terms when you use that service. But that’s got nothing to do with federal copyright law. It’s the publishers who operate ATN, using the service to avoid lost revenue. If they followed principles of universal design and sold accessible electronic versions of their books by default, they could save everyone involved a lot of work.


From: athen-list <athen-list-bounces at mailman12.u.washington.edu> on behalf of Robert Spangler <rspangler1 at udayton.edu>
Date: Thursday, December 16, 2021 at 9:45 AM
To: Access Technology Higher Education Network <athen-list at u.washington.edu>
Subject: Re: [Athen] Alternate text question
As far as I'm concerned, if they are asked to sign a statement that they bought the book, they're responsible for being truthful; I have documentation they signed saying they've bought the book. Clearly I'm not a lawyer, so someone please let me know if this is not sufficient, but it's not the only example in society where we sign things indicating that we are telling the truth, so it seems appropriate.


On Wed, Dec 15, 2021 at 6:37 PM foreigntype at gmail.com<mailto:foreigntype at gmail.com> <foreigntype at gmail.com<mailto:foreigntype at gmail.com>> wrote:
I respectfully disagree. I'm going to throw out Jamie Axelrod's NAU info page on what's necessary to fulfill copyright requirements: https://in.nau.edu/disability-resources/alternate-format-program/#:~:text=Publishers%20currently%20have%20a%20requirement,proof%20of%20purchase%20on%20file.

If textbooks are required for classes and the expectation is that all students must have the books (or access to the books) for class, why should students with disabilities be exempted from the requirement? This is federal copyright law. Among the gods we serve in alt-text production and accommodations, OCR is god#1 and copyright is god#2.

My 2.5 cents for a rainy bleak midwinter's day in the PNW.
Wink Harner
Accessibility Consultant/Alternative Text Production
The Foreign Type
Portland OR
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On Wed, Dec 15, 2021 at 1:33 PM Lissner, L. Scott <lissner.2 at osu.edu<mailto:lissner.2 at osu.edu>> wrote:
The short answer is, in my opinion, no. The long answer with supporting documention can be found at https://www.arl.org/resources/the-law-and-accessible-texts-reconciling-civil-rights-and-copyrights/

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On 12/15/21, 1:56 PM, "athen-list on behalf of Kluesner, Bryon" <athen-list-bounces at mailman12.u.washington.edu<mailto:athen-list-bounces at mailman12.u.washington.edu> on behalf of Bryon-Kluesner at utc.edu<mailto:Bryon-Kluesner at utc.edu>> wrote:

Hi all,

When you work with students who have been approved for alternate texts, do you require proof of purchase or proof of having a copy of the text, such as purchase from Amazon, having a “physical copy”, whether used or bought from a friend?



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