[Athen] Alternate text question

[Robert Spangler]

Yes, I totally agree.  We have them sign it just to state that they
purchased the book before we provide them with an electronic copy.  Sounds
like I need to read that whitepaper, though, to get the full picture!

Thanks,
Robert


On Thu, Dec 16, 2021 at 10:33 AM Butler, Brandon (bcb4y) <bcb4y at virginia.edu>
wrote:


> Why are the students signing that statement? If it’s because you are

> obtaining copies from a service (like ATN) that requires them to make that

> representation, then yes, you’re stuck with those terms when you use that

> service. But that’s got *nothing* to do with federal copyright law. It’s

> the publishers who operate ATN, using the service to avoid lost revenue. If

> they followed principles of universal design and sold accessible electronic

> versions of their books by default, they could save everyone involved a lot

> of work.

>

>

>

> Best,

>

> B

>

>

>

> *From: *athen-list <athen-list-bounces at mailman12.u.washington.edu> on

> behalf of Robert Spangler <rspangler1 at udayton.edu>

> *Date: *Thursday, December 16, 2021 at 9:45 AM

> *To: *Access Technology Higher Education Network <

> athen-list at u.washington.edu>

> *Subject: *Re: [Athen] Alternate text question

>

> As far as I'm concerned, if they are asked to sign a statement that they

> bought the book, they're responsible for being truthful; I have

> documentation they signed saying they've bought the book.  Clearly I'm not

> a lawyer, so someone please let me know if this is not sufficient, but it's

> not the only example in society where we sign things indicating that we are

> telling the truth, so it seems appropriate.

>

>

> Robert

>

>

>

>

>

> On Wed, Dec 15, 2021 at 6:37 PM foreigntype at gmail.com <

> foreigntype at gmail.com> wrote:

>

> Scott,

>

> I respectfully disagree. I'm going to throw out Jamie Axelrod's NAU info

> page on what's necessary to fulfill copyright requirements:

> https://in.nau.edu/disability-resources/alternate-format-program/#:~:text=Publishers%20currently%20have%20a%20requirement,proof%20of%20purchase%20on%20file

> .

>

>

>

> If textbooks are required for classes and the expectation is that all

> students must have the books (or access to the books) for class, why should

> students with disabilities be exempted from the requirement? This is

> federal copyright law. Among the gods we serve in alt-text production and

> accommodations, OCR is god#1 and copyright is god#2.

>

>

>

> My 2.5 cents for a rainy bleak midwinter's day in the PNW.

>

> Wink Harner

>

> Accessibility Consultant/Alternative Text Production

>

> The Foreign Type

>

> Portland OR

> foreigntype at gmail.com

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> On Wed, Dec 15, 2021 at 1:33 PM Lissner, L. Scott <lissner.2 at osu.edu>

> wrote:

>

> The short answer is, in my opinion, no.    The long answer with supporting

> documention can be found at

> https://www.arl.org/resources/the-law-and-accessible-texts-reconciling-civil-rights-and-copyrights/

>

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> On 12/15/21, 1:56 PM, "athen-list on behalf of Kluesner, Bryon" <

> athen-list-bounces at mailman12.u.washington.edu on behalf of

> Bryon-Kluesner at utc.edu> wrote:

>

>

>

> Hi all,

>

>

>

> When you work with students who have been approved for alternate texts, do

> you require proof of purchase or proof of having a copy of the text, such

> as purchase from Amazon, having a “physical copy”, whether used or bought

> from a friend?

>

>

>

> Thanks,

>

>

>

> Bryon

>

>

>

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