[Athen] Alternate text question

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Brandon,

Publishers are not inclined, trained, or required to provide alt-text
formatted books. While it would be lovely in a perfect universe for
students to be able to go to the book kiosk and select TTS or screen reader
formatted, or Braille, it is not a business model publishers are likely to
adopt. Students are all required to obtain assigned textbooks for their
classes. DSS offices are responsible for providing the alt text
appropriately formatted text. All students are expected to
purchase/rent/obtain the books and those who require alternative text are
provided with accessible materials at no (additional) cost to them.

I will carry on converting books and other class materials to appropriate
formats for the students who need alt text. I will continue to be proactive
in requesting the books in advance from publishers, ATN, Bookshare, and
other sources and enduring the students(s) have their appropriately
formatted books in hand at the beginning of the semester. Why should
students with disabilities be held to a lower standard than their peers?

Wink Harner

On Thu, Dec 16, 2021 at 5:55 AM Butler, Brandon (bcb4y) <bcb4y at virginia.edu>
wrote:


> Hi Wink,

>

>

>

> Please read the white paper, which I helped to prepare after a 2-day

> roundtable discussion with a who’s-who of copyright lawyers, disability

> rights lawyers and other experts, including Jamie. There just isn’t

> anything in the law that requires students to buy an inaccessible book

> before they can be provided with an accessible one. If you can tell me

> where you find such a requirement, either in Section 121 or in the

> HathiTrust opinion (the only two sources of law on this subject, more or

> less), I’d be grateful, and we will revise the white paper accordingly. But

> neither I nor any expert in that meeting could see any legal basis for this

> practice.

>

>

>

> Best,

>

> Brandon

>

>

>

>

>

> *From: *athen-list <athen-list-bounces at mailman12.u.washington.edu> on

> behalf of foreigntype at gmail.com <foreigntype at gmail.com>

> *Date: *Wednesday, December 15, 2021 at 6:37 PM

> *To: *Access Technology Higher Education Network <

> athen-list at u.washington.edu>

> *Subject: *Re: [Athen] Alternate text question

>

> Scott,

>

> I respectfully disagree. I'm going to throw out Jamie Axelrod's NAU info

> page on what's necessary to fulfill copyright requirements:

> https://in.nau.edu/disability-resources/alternate-format-program/#:~:text=Publishers%20currently%20have%20a%20requirement,proof%20of%20purchase%20on%20file

> .

>

>

>

> If textbooks are required for classes and the expectation is that all

> students must have the books (or access to the books) for class, why should

> students with disabilities be exempted from the requirement? This is

> federal copyright law. Among the gods we serve in alt-text production and

> accommodations, OCR is god#1 and copyright is god#2.

>

>

>

> My 2.5 cents for a rainy bleak midwinter's day in the PNW.

>

> Wink Harner

>

> Accessibility Consultant/Alternative Text Production

>

> The Foreign Type

>

> Portland OR

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> quirks, misrecognitions, or errata .

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> On Wed, Dec 15, 2021 at 1:33 PM Lissner, L. Scott <lissner.2 at osu.edu>

> wrote:

>

> The short answer is, in my opinion, no.    The long answer with supporting

> documention can be found at

> https://www.arl.org/resources/the-law-and-accessible-texts-reconciling-civil-rights-and-copyrights/

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> On 12/15/21, 1:56 PM, "athen-list on behalf of Kluesner, Bryon" <

> athen-list-bounces at mailman12.u.washington.edu on behalf of

> Bryon-Kluesner at utc.edu> wrote:

>

>

>

> Hi all,

>

>

>

> When you work with students who have been approved for alternate texts, do

> you require proof of purchase or proof of having a copy of the text, such

> as purchase from Amazon, having a “physical copy”, whether used or bought

> from a friend?

>

>

>

> Thanks,

>

>

>

> Bryon

>

>

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>

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