[Athen] [EXT]Re: Replacing Adobe Pro with FoxIT Pro

Robert Spangler rspangler1 at udayton.edu
Mon Jun 21 11:13:47 PDT 2021


Bevi, good point, and I appreciate your feedback as well! It sounds like
the best solution is to own both tools, just like with screen readers. And
as much as I'm bursting to, I'll refrain from commenting on your election
statement...LOL.

Robert


On Mon, Jun 21, 2021 at 12:35 PM <chagnon at pubcom.com> wrote:


> /Quote: Enough people have stated that Adobe doesn't do great OCR, though,

> so it must be true, /EndQuote

>

>

>

> Oh, gosh, please don’t take that line of thinking about anything! Always

> verify the data behind your decisions and beliefs. A good example: The

> Ex-President and thousands of his followers say the election was stolen.

> Just because “enough people” believe him doesn’t make it true. It’s called

> an echo-chamber, where we follow the crowd and blindly repeat stuff.

>

>

>

> Back to OCR:

>

> Adobe does a fine job with OCR, but several things can create

> less-than-ideal results:

>

> 1) a bad original, where the type is faint, fuzzy, broken, or has parts of

> letters missing.

>

> 2) the OCR settings in Acrobat.

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>

>

> Once in the Scan and OCR panel, select Enhance / Scanned Document.

>

> Then select Enhance and reset the default settings. Change the language if

> necessary.

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>

>

> We’ve found no one OCR package to be ideal for all types of documents, so

> we try Acrobat and 80% of the time keep its interpretation. We use ABBBY

> Fine Reader when we’re not happy with Acrobat’s results. Sometimes it’s

> better, other times not. Such much about OCR depends upon the source file.

>

>

>

> And with any OCR program, always do a substantial spot check to ensure

> that the software correctly caught the word-spaces, periods, commas,

> semi-colons and colons. Also, several letter combinations can be problems

> for all software: d a r n becomes dam, and c l u b becomes dub.

>

>

>

> Some people might prefer ABBYY because it has some features that are

> especially helpful to those using screen readers and other text-to-speech

> software.

>

>

>

> --Bevi Chagnon

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> *From:* athen-list <athen-list-bounces at mailman12.u.washington.edu> *On

> Behalf Of *Robert Spangler

> *Sent:* Monday, June 21, 2021 10:36 AM

> *To:* Access Technology Higher Education Network <

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> *Subject:* Re: [Athen] [EXT]Re: Replacing Adobe Pro with FoxIT Pro

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>

> I'm using a screen reader. It may just be that I don't do enough OCR to

> notice the difference, and usually for my own reading Adobe is sufficient.

> Enough people have stated that Adobe doesn't do great OCR, though, so it

> must be true, I've just not seen the difference myself.

>

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>

> Robert

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> On Mon, Jun 21, 2021 at 10:27 AM Robert Beach <rbeach at kckcc.edu> wrote:

>

> Robert,

>

>

>

> Are you reviewing your Adobe OCR results with a screen reader or are you

> reviewing the results visually on the screen? Sometimes, the screen looks

> like everything went perfect and the text is the same as the original.

> However, what you see on the screen may be the original image of text and

> the actual OCR text is behind that. This may be why you feel you are

> getting good OCR from Adobe. I’ve personally never gotten good OCR from

> Adobe.

>

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>

>

> *Robert Lee Beach*

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> *From:* athen-list <athen-list-bounces at mailman12.u.washington.edu> *On

> Behalf Of *Robert Spangler

> *Sent:* Wednesday, June 16, 2021 12:25 PM

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> *Subject:* [EXT]Re: [Athen] Replacing Adobe Pro with FoxIT Pro

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> Hi Susan, thanks for your reply. Can you explain more why OCR isn't as

> good in Adobe as it is in Abbyy? We have a very old version of Abbyy which

> is no longer supported, and I would probably have a hard time making the

> argument to purchase both Abbyy and Adobe, or Abbyy and FoxIT as it may be

> in the future. I personally have not found Adobe OCR to be a problem, but

> I'm sure the volume of OCR work you do exceeds mine so you'd have a better

> idea.

>

>

>

> Robert

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> On Wed, Jun 16, 2021 at 1:16 PM Susan Kelmer <Susan.Kelmer at colorado.edu>

> wrote:

>

> If you are using Adobe Pro for OCR, you are missing better functionality

> that could be had with Abbyy Finereader or Omnipage (we are an Omni shop

> and I would never count on Adobe Pro for OCR). We only use Adobe Pro for

> breaking up files or fixing reading order, that sort of thing. Its ability

> to OCR is definitely substandard. L

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>

>

> I cannot speak for the accessibility of FoxIT, so hopefully others have

> good, solid answers.

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> *From:* athen-list <athen-list-bounces at mailman12.u.washington.edu> *On

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> *Subject:* [Athen] Replacing Adobe Pro with FoxIT Pro

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>

> Hi all, our campus is encouraging all units to stop purchasing Adobe Pro,

> and instead switch to FoxIT Pro. We primarily use Adobe Pro for OCR as

> well as editing book scans and publisher files. Does anyone here have

> experience with FoxIT? How is its accessibility with screen readers? I

> understand that the ability of blind people to edit PDFs is limited anyway,

> but is navigating the program interface accessible? Can it perform OCR as

> well as Adobe, and handle all the book editing functions? Thanks for your

> responses!

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> Robert

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