[Athen] Website accessibility

[Robert Spangler]

Hey Steve, how about when activating a link causes new content to appear
elsewhere on the page?  How is that supposed to be handled?  I notice quite
frequently when this happens, the screen reader says nothing and the focus
isn't moved to the position on the page with the new content. I'm left
wondering if the link was activated at all (links not activating is an
issue at times) or searching the page for the new content.

In regards to links opening in new tabs, I don't care much for the
practice, but at least a message stating, "Link opened in new tab" or
something like that would alleviate the annoyance.  I'm not sure of the
best way to handle this for other situations, but at least for screen
readers this would be appropriate.

Thanks,
Robert


On Fri, Apr 22, 2022 at 9:09 AM Steve Green <steve.green at testpartners.co.uk>
wrote:


> Opening a new tab *is* considered a change of context. WCAG specifically

> defines a change of viewport as a change of context. See

> https://www.w3.org/WAI/WCAG21/Understanding/change-on-request.html#dfn-changes-of-context

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> However, for links, it’s an expected change of context. Everyone knows

> that it can happen, even if they don’t expect it to in a particular

> circumstance.

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>

> I am certainly not advocating opening links in new tabs – I have seen it

> cause plenty of problems during user testing with screen reader users,

> screen magnifier users and dyslexic people. But it’s only an annoyance, not

> a complete barrier.

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> And WCAG 2.1 AA is hardly the barest minimum of accessibility – a website

> that is fully conformant will be accessible to the vast majority of

> disabled people.

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>

> Steve Green

>

> Managing Director

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> Test Partners Ltd

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>

> *From:* athen-list <athen-list-bounces at mailman12.u.washington.edu> *On

> Behalf Of *Katherine Deibel

> *Sent:* 22 April 2022 13:55

> *To:* Access Technology Higher Education Network <

> athen-list at u.washington.edu>

> *Subject:* Re: [Athen] Website accessibility

>

>

>

> > There’s plenty of evidence that it does not confusion in some users,

> notably those with cognitive issues.

>

> Argh… not enough caffeine yet. That should be:

>

>           There’s plenty of evidence that it does create confusion in some

> users, notably those with cognitive issues.

>

>

>

> Katherine “Kate” Deibel, PhD

>

> Library Accessibility Specialist

>

> Twitter: https://twitter.com/metageeky

> GitHub: https://github.com/metageeky

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>

> *From:* athen-list <athen-list-bounces at mailman12.u.washington.edu> *On

> Behalf Of *Katherine Deibel

> *Sent:* Friday, April 22, 2022 8:44 AM

> *To:* Access Technology Higher Education Network <

> athen-list at u.washington.edu>

> *Subject:* Re: [Athen] Website accessibility

>

>

>

> I’ll stand corrected but it greatly bothers me that opening a new tab is

> not considered a change of context. There’s plenty of evidence that it does

> not confusion in some users, notably those with cognitive issues. Plus, it

> creates a whole new browsing context in terms of browser history.

>

>

>

> Once again, a good example of how WCAG is the barest minimum of

> accessibility.

>

>

>

> Katherine “Kate” Deibel, PhD

>

> Library Accessibility Specialist

>

> Twitter: https://twitter.com/metageeky

> GitHub: https://github.com/metageeky

>

>

>

> *From:* athen-list <athen-list-bounces at mailman12.u.washington.edu> *On

> Behalf Of *glen walker

> *Sent:* Friday, April 22, 2022 12:58 AM

> *To:* Access Technology Higher Education Network <

> athen-list at u.washington.edu>

> *Subject:* Re: [Athen] Website accessibility

>

>

>

> > Strictly WCAG, you need to provide an indication of this unexpected

> behavior as it creates a change of context for the user.

>

>

>

> That's a matter of interpretation.  If you're alluding to WCAG 3.2.2 On

> Input, clicking a link and going to a new page (whether in the existing tab

> or a new tab/window) is *expected* behavior because that's what a link

> does.  You don't have to tell the user you're going to do that.

>

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>

> We had a discussion about this recently on the WebAIM forum -

> https://webaim.org/discussion/mail_thread?thread=10383#post0

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