[Athen] [EXT]Re: VoiceOver expert and PDF journal article

[Robert Beach]

Okay, I was just told by one of my Mac students that Apple has broken VO access in Books. I'm not sure if this is just on the iPads or is also the case on the Mac computers.


Robert Lee Beach
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Have you tried opening the PDF in Apple Books? I haven't tried it myself but I have been told that Books handles PDF files pretty well, at least they used to.


Robert Lee Beach
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Kansas City Kansas Community College
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Hi Mark,

It's been my experience with VoiceOver, on macOS, that PDFs do not read well at all. By default PDFs open in Preview, the Mac's Adobe Reader equivalent. You can use Adobe Reader for Mac, but I don't think the experience is much better. I've never been able to navigate in a PDF on the Mac by headings, or even been able to read a PDF smoothly. I'd have to try navigate a table in a PDF on the Mac to see if it works well, but I have a suspicion that it won't.

I don't consider myself a VoiceOver expert, so perhaps someone with more experience using PDFs on the Mac can comment further.

Thanks,

Russell

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Is there a VoiceOver expert that could meet via Zoom and share your screen and sound as you step through an example of a PDF-based journal article with me?
Checking out things like headings, tables, lists, and reading order.

Mark Weiler, PhD (he & him)
JAWS certified and Web Accessibility Specialist
Web & User Experience Librarian
Wilfrid Laurier University
Waterloo, Ontario

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