[Athen] Does anyone have this book in PDF? Or anything but an ePub??

[kerscher at montana.com]

Hi,

 

Lol, let's have some fun!!!

 

Wonderful that Macmillan provided you a PDF version! Great that Macmillan is
so responsive.

 

Still it is important for the members of this list to understand that in
many, many cases the EPUB 3 version with image descriptions and MathML
support is far, far superior to a PDF that requires DSO remediation support.
It is better to help students to learn to use the modern Born Accessible
formats rather than rely on an ancient PDF technology that cannot be
personalized  with modification of font size, color and supports for
ReadAloud with highlighted text.

 

I don't know if this webinar is still active, but it was a wonderful
presentation: Rumble in the Publishing Jungle, 

 

https://ahead.adobeconnect.com/pk3u4ybpavxp/

Tuesday, November 12, 2019, 3-4 pm ET

 

Presented by 

Susan Kelmer, University of Colorado Boulder

George Kerscher, DAISY Consortium

 

In the PDF corner, wearing the blue tutu, is Susan Kelmer and in the EPUB
corner, wearing green trunks, is George Kerscher. This heavy weight event is
ten rounds of full impact advocacy for access to information. "EPUB is the
greatest," said George Kerscher, and he went on to say, "I will show the way
of the future for all born accessible published materials." "PDF is the
established world champion," countered Susan Kelmer, following with a right
hook by continuing, "We know how to deal with PDF, and our students want
PDF." This is a sanctioned AHEAD championship event. The referee and
question-keeper, who will make sure there is no hitting below the belt, will
be Rachel Kruzel. Fans should make sure their tickets are booked ASAP
because seats are limited, and this is the ultimate event to fully
understand EPUB, PDF, their differences, and the advantages of each.

 

 

 

 

 

 

From: athen-list <athen-list-bounces at mailman12.u.washington.edu> On Behalf
Of Susan Kelmer
Sent: Tuesday, April 26, 2022 3:48 PM
To: Access Technology Higher Education Network <athen-list at u.washington.edu>
Subject: Re: [Athen] Does anyone have this book in PDF? Or anything but an
ePub??

 

Not to get into intense details on the student, but none of the Bookshare
versions are going to work for him.  That is the end of the discussion on
this.

 

The student's disabilities require a perfectly formatted MS Word version,
including images, appropriate heading levels, page numbers, a table of
contents with page numbers, and an index with page numbers.

 

While Bookshare may be some sort of solution for some sorts of students, it
is not a solution for this particular student.  If I could have massaged the
Bookshare version into something resembling what the student requires, I
would have done that.

 

In the meantime, a lovely member of this group sent me the PDF files, and
I've already completed converting 3 chapters to what the student needs since
this morning, without having to locate a hard copy of the book for
understanding the layout, figuring out the page numbers, adding page numbers
to the table of contents or the index, or scanning any images to add into
the text for the student to access. Additionally, all headings were marked
clearly through level 6! Wonder of wonders!

 

In other words.the PDF is easier for me to work with to convert to Word.
The PDF contains all of the elements of the original print book.  The PDF
means I don't have to go out and find other information, or figure out
layout, teach the student to use a different reader to access an ePub that
doesn't work for him, etc.

 

I asked for a PDF of this book.  I received one from another member of this
group.  And yes, after two days, Macmillan sent me a PDF version of this
title, which I also now have access to. 

 

Now, I need to get back to work.  The student needs these files in a few
days, and I have a deadline to meet.  When Bookshare can give me PDFs, I'll
reconsider my stance on how they operate. Until then, they are not going to
be my first choice for accessible materials, because I am not finding them
to be accessible at all and create a barrier not only for the student, but
for my work in providing alternate format/media to students with complex
disabilities.

 

 

Susan Kelmer 

Alternate Format Production Program Manager

Disability Services

Division of Student Affairs 

T 303 735 4836

 <http://www.colorado.edu/disabilityservices>
www.colorado.edu/disabilityservices 

 

 



 

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kerscher at montana.com <mailto:kerscher at montana.com> 
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Subject: Re: [Athen] Does anyone have this book in PDF? Or anything but an
ePub??

 

Hello,

 

Good news on this title!!!

 

I just downloaded it from Bookshare.

 

 

It is published by Macmillan Learning It has page numbers and images and is
WCAG AA compliant.

 

Also, Macmillan Learning has a policy of providing the PDF if for some
reason a PDF is needed.

 

I opened it in Thorium Reader on Windows and read the Accessibility Summary.
I then went directly to page 100.

 

I believe this also uses MathML which is a terrific feature.

 

A wonderfully accessible publication.

 

Best

George

 

 

 

From: athen-list <athen-list-bounces at mailman12.u.washington.edu
<mailto:athen-list-bounces at mailman12.u.washington.edu> > On Behalf Of Kamran
Rasul
Sent: Tuesday, April 26, 2022 2:25 PM
To: Access Technology Higher Education Network <athen-list at u.washington.edu
<mailto:athen-list at u.washington.edu> >
Subject: Re: [Athen] Does anyone have this book in PDF? Or anything but an
ePub??

 

Unless I am misunderstanding the email chain, Kurzweil opens for both
desktop and universal library epub formatted materials.

 

It is true lack of proper page numbering can be an issue and no images
either.

 



Kamran Rasul, MEd.

Assistive Technology/Alternate Format Specialist

 <mailto:krasul1 at jhu.edu> krasul1 at jhu.edu

Student Disability Services

3400 N. Charles Street

Baltimore, MD 21218

 

From: athen-list <athen-list-bounces at mailman12.u.washington.edu
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kerscher at montana.com <mailto:kerscher at montana.com> 
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Subject: Re: [Athen] Does anyone have this book in PDF? Or anything but an
ePub??

 


      External Email - Use Caution      

 

 

Hi,

 

You know that Kurzweil has an EPUB reader for the Mac. Have they released
the one for Windows?

 

Best

George

 

 

From: athen-list <athen-list-bounces at mailman12.u.washington.edu
<mailto:athen-list-bounces at mailman12.u.washington.edu> > On Behalf Of Susan
Kelmer
Sent: Tuesday, April 26, 2022 12:49 PM
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Subject: Re: [Athen] Does anyone have this book in PDF? Or anything but an
ePub??

 

Unfortunately, George, all of these formats need a ton of work on our end to
be converted to what the student needs to work with.  The ePub doesn't have
page numbers and it also cannot be read by Kurzweil.  The Word version has
no images and no workable table of contents or index (kind of important for
this kind of book). The student is not blind so Braille and Daisy are not
appropriate either.

 

I only ever ask for a PDF when I need one, and in this case, I need one.
Publisher is only providing an ePub, which does not meet this student's
needs.

 

 

Susan Kelmer 

Alternate Format Production Program Manager

Disability Services

Division of Student Affairs 

T 303 735 4836

 
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This is in the Bookshare collection, so I believe you could get it in Word,
MP3, BRF, DAISY, and of course EPUB.

 

Best

George

 

 

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Subject: [Athen] Does anyone have this book in PDF? Or anything but an
ePub??

 

Organic Chemistry, 7th ed, Loudon, isbn 9781319188429 or 9781319335915

 

TIA!

 

 

Susan Kelmer 

Alternate Format Production Program Manager

Disability Services

Division of Student Affairs 

T 303 735 4836

 
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